Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jango has weaponry and skills that can take down Jedi or Sith. They were featless masters. Every Jedi differs widely in terms of skill with sabers.

They weren't blurs to anyone. We saw every action in the film. We also see Windu disarm Palpatine. One on one he lost after the featless fodder were killed off.

Actually they weren't featless wonders.. they were three acclaimed Jedi there were struck down before they could even react. Only Fisto managed to block one strike before being killed. That is beyond fast.. and WELL WELL beyond anything Jango or Khan has ever displayed via speed. Kit Fisto has defeated Kenobi in sparring and taken down The General. Kolar and Tin also have feats as well. None of them are featless by any stretch

The book goes into greater detail about a fight shown in the movie. Or we can use Lucas script from the movie.. each talk about how they were a blur to Anakin is how fast the were moving. This was said in the novel and script because it makes no sense to show a black cloud in the movie and not show a fight scene. Of course they had to show them fighting... but the script and novel make it clear how fast they were intended to be moving.

You guys do realize that quan is just trolling, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't the same as Palpatine. It was a much harder situation as he had multiple threats, aircraft, and reconforcements dropping in with ranged weapons to worry about.

One target would be easy Peezy for Khan. When Yoda showed up to get into the Jedi temple he needed Obi whereas Khan just solos squads.

How is this a raw numbers issue for you? Do you not see that someone with Palpatine's abilities is worth truckloads of Klingons?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Very.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually they weren't featless wonders.. they were three acclaimed Jedi there were struck down before they could even react. Only Fisto managed to block one strike before being killed. That is beyond fast.. and WELL WELL beyond anything Jango or Khan has ever displayed via speed. Kit Fisto has defeated Kenobi in sparring and taken down The General. Kolar and Tin also have feats as well. None of them are featless by any stretch

The book goes into greater detail about a fight shown in the movie. Or we can use Lucas script from the movie.. each talk about how they were a blur to Anakin is how fast the were moving. This was said in the novel and script because it makes no sense to show a black cloud in the movie and not show a fight scene. Of course they had to show them fighting... but the script and novel make it clear how fast they were intended to be moving.

We go based off the movie not your hypocritical loopholes to the rules due to you trying to tilt the battle in Palpatine's favor since we both know you don't believe it yourself.

Originally posted by The Renegade
How is this a raw numbers issue for you? Do you not see that someone with Palpatine's abilities is worth truckloads of Klingons?

"You don't understand the power of the dark side"

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why did Palpatine's face scar due to force lightning ? If they are super durable why would such a weak attack permanently disfigure him. Do tell.

Dooku's deflected lightning in AOTC generates an explosion. It's really not all that weak unless wielded to torture (ROTJ). But Word of God has it that the deflected attack damaged an illusion Palpatine was casting around his face to conceal his true visage. It also explains why no one else suffers that sort of burn.

Palatine cooked himself and went total dark and thus he disfigured himself.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Dooku's deflected lightning in AOTC generates an explosion. It's really not all that weak unless wielded to torture (ROTJ). But Word of God has it that the deflected attack damaged an illusion Palpatine was casting around his face to conceal his true visage. It also explains why no one else suffers that sort of burn.

That is false and goes against the dialogue Palpatine uses. He uses his disfigurement to manipulate those at the Senate hearing. He is master manipulator sneaking around but in terms of combat he doesn't want to fight. This is evidenced when Yoda had to block his exit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Generating an explosion is one thing that may happen but that isn't relevant to what it does to a human body. We see it just ko Anakin with no long term effects or damage. Laughably weak if you ask me.

StealthRanger
force users happen to be ****ing durable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is false and goes against the dialogue Palpatine uses. He uses his disfigurement to manipulate those at the Senate hearing. He is master manipulator sneaking around but in terms of combat he doesn't want to fight. This is evidenced when Yoda had to block his exit.

None of that is mutually exclusive to what I just said, but ok.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

None of that is mutually exclusive to what I just said, but ok.

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If Obi was really durable Jango couldn't headbutt him and take him on physically. The old everything in Star Wars is more durable and better despite common sense and proof saying otherwise.

Keep going.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lasers kill Jedi. Force lightning has never directly done so.

True, I forgot about that. X doesn't kill Y, but Z does, therefore X (and therefore Y by extension) must be weak. Kinda like how bullets kill those super frail Matrix agents, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Obi was really durable Jango couldn't headbutt him and take him on physically.

Damn, got me again. Practically anyone could take metal-clad headbutt to the nose and keep on swinging.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
True, I forgot about that. X doesn't kill Y, but Z does, therefore X (and therefore Y by extension) must be weak. Kinda like how bullets kill those super frail Matrix agents, right?

Damn, got me again. Practically anyone could take metal-clad headbutt to the nose and keep on swinging.

A trained warrior can take that and then some. Palpatine couldn't though. Geriatric.

Khan on the other hand is superhuman in every way especially recovery time.

But Obi-Wan did take it and then some...? 😬

Originally posted by The_Tempest
But Obi-Wan did take it and then some...? 😬

Obi's head according to your implications should be more durable than helmets weak humanoids need to wear to match up with these badass Jedi.

Jedi have uber durability, their heads are stronger then helmets and they can fall hundreds of feet without breaking bones!

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Jedi have uber durability, their heads are stronger then helmets and they can fall hundreds of feet without breaking bones!

Originally posted by quanchi112
One target as opposed to many is much easier to track. Common sense.

Are you out of your mind? Firstly, "common sense" is entirely subjective and not strong enough to even drop around your grace (moi) so be quiet.

Secondly, how is that even logical? Are you saying, for example, four massive, hulking ogres would be easier to track than, say, the likes of Albert Wesker?

Palpatine has abilities that make him difficult to go up against/"keep track" of. The Klingons have battle plans, squad coordination, etc.

I'd argue that groups are easier to track, especially in specific scenarios such as a battle.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Are you out of your mind? Firstly, "common sense" is entirely subjective and not strong enough to even drop around your grace (moi) so be quiet.

Secondly, how is that even logical? Are you saying, for example, four massive, hulking ogres would be easier to track than, say, the likes of Albert Wesker?

Palpatine has abilities that make him difficult to go up against/"keep track" of. The Klingons have battle plans, squad coordination, etc.

I'd argue that groups are easier to track, especially in specific scenarios such as a battle.

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These aren't just four massively stupid ogres. These are trained warriors with long ranged weaponry.

So a bunch of well organized guys and reinforcements are easy to track than some highly skilled ninja with a sword. Just stop.