Captain America vs. Khan (h2h)

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not sure if Cap has that much better strength. Kahn crushed a human skull with his bare fingers. That's at least 6 times stronger than a normal human. So prehaps Cap is slightly stronger.

It only takes around 15psi to fracture a skull, stop making up BS numbers

I'm not sure Cap is much faster in striking.

Then try watching the movies as Cap is clearly faster.

Agility is meaningless here unless they were wrestling. Quick, quiet, compact, and powerful moves is what matters.

Agility isn't meaningless as Cap has used it in several fights, you really need to watch the movies.

I would say Kahn has better durability or at least equal. I don't see Cap not being affected from an experienced human fighter striking him with all their might for a prolong period of time.

Except going by feats, Cap has better durability. once again I'm going to have to suggest that you actually watch the movies.

The deciding factor here is Healing Factor. Even without HF, Cap isn't going to ko Kahn anytime soon due to his durability. But Kahn would be healing mid battle.

Khan has never tanked hits from someone on Cap's strength level, in fact Spock was effecting him with punches and Cap has far better strength feats than Spock.

Cap has greater fighting skill. But Kahn isn't a slouch in that dept. He is very skilled. His mental capabilities exceeds humans. He can think faster and more efficiently.

Khan fought like a basic brawler in the movie, at this point you are just flat out lying.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It only takes around 15psi to fracture a skull, stop making up BS numbers

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's less pressure than a punch. It can't replicate Khan's feat. Or are you so stupid you believe "fracture" and "cave in" mean the same thing?

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's less pressure than a punch. It can't replicate Khan's feat. Or are you so stupid you believe "fracture" and "cave in" mean the same thing?

Are you aware that the longer you apply pressure to something the more damage you'll do?

Originally posted by quanchi112
In Sm's defense he is highly stupid.

😂

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you aware that the longer you apply pressure to something the more damage you'll do?

The fallacy fallacy.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you aware that the longer you apply pressure to something the more damage you'll do?

Unlike some, I admit when I'm wrong, it turns out I missed several lines of text because I had the window minimized as I was playing Diablo at the time.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1959903

It takes approximately 15 pounds per square inch to crush an adult human head. Your head is about 10 inches from top to bottom and 8 inches from back to front, which gives a cross-sectional area of 80 square inches. This means that the total force needed to crush your skull would be about 1,200 pounds of force.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Unlike some, I admit when I'm wrong, it turns out I missed several lines of text because I had the window minimized as I was playing Diablo at the time.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1959903

It takes approximately 15 pounds per square inch to crush an adult human head. Your head is about 10 inches from top to bottom and 8 inches from back to front, which gives a cross-sectional area of 80 square inches. This means that the total force needed to crush your skull would be about 1,200 pounds of force.

You do know that this particular question has already been explored by experts, right?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/06/03/no-you-cant-crush-a-mans-skull-with-your-bare-hands/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/05/29/star_trek_into_darkness_could_khan_really_crush_a_skull_with_his_bare_hands.html

But this was just until the skulls experienced catastrophic failure: not an explosion of brain matter. It would require significantly more strength to cause the head to explode like it did but we at least have a low-end for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/06/03/no-you-cant-crush-a-mans-skull-with-your-bare-hands/

"When I recovered, I began to wonder whether this could actually happen, and I spent part of Monday e-mailing back and forth with two researchers who have studied the strength of the human head.

The consensus: No way. Not a chance. Not even for The Mountain, whom George R.R. Martin, author of the novels that have been transformed into the hit series, describes as nearly eight feet tall and weighing about 420 pounds of solid muscle."

So crushing skulls seems to be out of the realm of human strength, much less causing them to explode like Khan accomplished.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You do know that this particular question has already been explored by experts, right?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/06/03/no-you-cant-crush-a-mans-skull-with-your-bare-hands/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/05/29/star_trek_into_darkness_could_khan_really_crush_a_skull_with_his_bare_hands.html

But this was just until the skulls experienced catastrophic failure: not an explosion of brain matter. It would require significantly more strength to cause the head to explode like it did but we at least have a low-end for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/06/03/no-you-cant-crush-a-mans-skull-with-your-bare-hands/

"When I recovered, I began to wonder whether this could actually happen, and I spent part of Monday e-mailing back and forth with two researchers who have studied the strength of the human head.

The consensus: No way. Not a chance. Not even for The Mountain, whom George R.R. Martin, author of the novels that have been transformed into the hit series, describes as nearly eight feet tall and weighing about 420 pounds of solid muscle."

So crushing skulls seems to be out of the realm of human strength, much less causing them to explode like Khan accomplished.

You're aware that I already admitted that I was wrong about the 15psi comment and posted a link that stated it would take 1,200 pounds of force.

I still maintain that h1 made up the numbers when he claimed it takes at least 6x human level strength.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I still maintain that h1 made up the numbers when he claimed it takes at least 6x human level strength.

I don't since NemeBro posted a link, regarding Gregor's feat, that said it was 5x. I could understand the increase in strength required to have the head explode rather than undergo a catastrophic failure.

Regardless, that quote I posted said no human could do it: even a 420lbs elite power-lifter.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Unlike some, I admit when I'm wrong, it turns out I missed several lines of text because I had the window minimized as I was playing Diablo at the time.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1959903

It takes approximately 15 pounds per square inch to crush an adult human head. Your head is about 10 inches from top to bottom and 8 inches from back to front, which gives a cross-sectional area of 80 square inches. This means that the total force needed to crush your skull would be about 1,200 pounds of force.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You do know that this particular question has already been explored by experts, right?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/06/03/no-you-cant-crush-a-mans-skull-with-your-bare-hands/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/05/29/star_trek_into_darkness_could_khan_really_crush_a_skull_with_his_bare_hands.html

But this was just until the skulls experienced catastrophic failure: not an explosion of brain matter. It would require significantly more strength to cause the head to explode like it did but we at least have a low-end for this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/06/03/no-you-cant-crush-a-mans-skull-with-your-bare-hands/

"When I recovered, I began to wonder whether this could actually happen, and I spent part of Monday e-mailing back and forth with two researchers who have studied the strength of the human head.

The consensus: No way. Not a chance. Not even for The Mountain, whom George R.R. Martin, author of the novels that have been transformed into the hit series, describes as nearly eight feet tall and weighing about 420 pounds of solid muscle."

So crushing skulls seems to be out of the realm of human strength, much less causing them to explode like Khan accomplished.

I don't remember a head exploding like you say in the movie. Can you post the clip of the scene in question please.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't remember a head exploding like you say in the movie. Can you post the clip of the scene in question please.

He did, watch the clip for yourself.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He did, watch the clip for yourself.

Well, I don't want to be a dick to that guy...but, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was posted in the thread at once point. If it wasn't, it should have been.

It may not be available on Youtube. In which case, you'll just have to take my word for it because I can watch the movie on Netflix. 🙂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't remember a head exploding like you say in the movie. Can you post the clip of the scene in question please.

Here is the clip YouTube video

As you can see we never actually see it explode, we just get a sound effect.

We actually got a blood splatter when Gregor did it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Here is the clip YouTube video

As you can see we never actually see it explode, we just get a sound effect.

Yup, you're right. I've seen the movie once. I could have sworn there was chunks everywhere. My bad, man.

Seems almost the same as Gregor's skull crush. Just enough force to get a catastrophic failure of the cranium. Also, I would note that Khan appears to have done it faster than Gregor, from the sides of the head (rather than pushing through the eye-sockets), and did it while standing up.

So I suppose Khan still gets the nod in the strength department compared to Gregor.

I find it funny how none of the Khan supporters corrected me. 😐

Was the fragility of the Admiral taken into account? He was damn old.

So it's just as I remembered it.. there is NO head exploding shown AT ALL....

Yeah. Had there been an exploding head we all would have commented on it lol.