Originally posted by Silent Master
What are some of the strength feats for NuKlingons?Since when does missing multiple times earn someone the title of master marksman?
How will it matter, because in the only fights we have seen Khan fought like a brawler.
Originally posted by KingD19
He made up screen feats about cap? Which ones?And what did he lie about?
(Not going on a merry chase through all these pages and threads to find it)
Stating that spec ops soldiers have feats over the klingons and that they are physically stronger.
Baseless lies.
Originally posted by Silent Master
He's lying about my claims so that he can call me a troll, it's classic strawmanning.
Everyone has called you a troll. Start to accept it.
Well we don't know the strength of Nu-Trek Klingon's. We know Romulans and Vulcan's are genetic cousins and are both roughly 3x stronger than the average human. We know Khan is 5x. But we don't know how much stronger Klingon's are, just that they're supposed to be badass.
So a highly trained spec-ops soldier could very well be stronger than a Romulan, as they don't have any feats. And while they don't have any feats themselves, we can compare them to actual Spec Ops soldiers who pull off some crazy shit.
Originally posted by KingD19
Well we don't know the strength of Nu-Trek Klingon's. We know Romulans and Vulcan's are genetic cousins and are both roughly 3x stronger than the average human. We know Khan is 5x. But we don't know how much stronger Klingon's are, just that they're supposed to be badass.So a highly trained spec-ops soldier could very well be stronger than a Romulan, as they don't have any feats. And while they don't have any feats themselves, we can compare them to actual Spec Ops soldiers who pull off some crazy shit.
The spec ops soliders cap fought have zero screen feats or strength feats other then dying like fodder to captain the same way the klingons died to khan.
SM is using classic strawman augment by misrepresenting characters.
Originally posted by KingD19
Well we don't know the strength of Nu-Trek Klingon's. We know Romulans and Vulcan's are genetic cousins and are both roughly 3x stronger than the average human. We know Khan is 5x. But we don't know how much stronger Klingon's are, just that they're supposed to be badass.So a highly trained spec-ops soldier could very well be stronger than a Romulan, as they don't have any feats. And while they don't have any feats themselves, we can compare them to actual Spec Ops soldiers who pull off some crazy shit.
I never said that the spec ops soldiers were stronger, which is why he didn't provide a quote.
There are real people who can pick up a woman of her size with one hand. It's certainly impressive, but a sufficiently strong guy could do it.
Regardless, Khan whipping around big ole lasers and blasting guys who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn isn't anywhere near as impressive as Cap's elevator feat.
Both of you are making the stupid argument that the spec ops soldiers have better feats then the klingon.
King is suggesting they are stronger or better trained, with zero feats to prove this statement.
Silent troll is suggesting the spec ops soldiers have better feats then the "featless Klingons" all the while the spec ops soldiers are as featless as the Klingons based off screen imaginations.
Originally posted by KingD19
I just clearly stated that since we don't know the exact strength range of the Klingon's(it wasn't clearly pointed out like Romulans/Vulcans and Khan), them being stronger than an average human isn't that big a deal, since most highly trained guys are stronger than average humans as well.
So the point is moot
Klingons are just as feat less as the spec ops soldiers who died like fodder to Cap and Khan.
Originally posted by KingD19
I just clearly stated that since we don't know the exact strength range of the Klingon's(it wasn't clearly pointed out like Romulans/Vulcans and Khan), them being stronger than an average human isn't that big a deal, since most highly trained guys are stronger than average humans as well.
So it's possible for a spec ops soldier to be physically stronger than a Klingon, but not physiologically. This because Klingons bodies are naturally superior to human bodies. Humans require special training to make up for the physiological difference.
I'm not even arguing that, as it's the same difference. Klingon's are naturally stronger to an unknown degree than the average human. Spec Ops can also be stronger to an unknown degree through training. The end result is that they're both stronger than the average human to an unknown degree.
The points are, Cap's feats in similar situations were more impressive. Especially since he was working with less than Khan. Less space, less freedom of movement, more opponents hitting him all at once, being electrocuted repeatedly, only having a shield to take out a vtol fighter jet, etc...
Originally posted by KingD19
The point is Cap's elevator feat is superior to Khan's Klingon fight. So is Cap taking out a Quinjet with his shield over Khan simply using an Uber laser to take out the Klingon ships.
How is being trapped in a elevator with a bunch of soldiers a superior feat then taking on a 3 ships of klingons?