5 Imperial Knights vs. 5 TOR Sith Warriors

Originally posted by Q99
And Sith Lords *still* aren't called it.

*Looks at the deception trailer* Oh look, it's sith warriors and jedi knights fighting on even terms. That's game mechanic?

The Imperial Knights are primarily bodyguards and military strike force. They are neither a complete military nor monastic force.

Sure, you can be promoted because of diplomacy, politics, or what have you, depending on what the order wants.... and these ones are promoted due to combat, because that's all they do.

So you insist that if there was a matchup between five Sith Warriors and five Sith Lords, you would not bet on the Lords?

Ranks can be given in response to power. These are.
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No they aren't. Mastery has to be shown. Mastery comes with maturity and experience, not power. The mooks that constantly get on the Council shows this.
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And you're also brushing off that there are examples of power to support it.

Saying "power does not equal rank" does not allow you to brush aside power.

If you argument is rank and profession is completely irrelevant, then why are you even debating a vs where literally the only information is the numbers, rank and professions of the two sides?

Given information: "One side has 5 members of the rank and profession of Imperial Knight, the other side has 5 members of the rank and profession of Sith Warrior."

Also, I've given information to back up the strength of the Imperial Knights. You've brushed it aside because you feel it's rank based.

Basically you're trying to put yourself in a position where you can ignore any evidence because it's evidence on the strength of people who are Imperial Knights or Sith Warriors, when in fact that is the exact information that the op is asking.

Do you feel this is an argument for them in some respect? Do you feel some eras are just innately more or less powerful? Do you have any evidence that TOR rank and file are more powerful, or are you just going to imply it without backing it up?

Definitely the last time I'm speaking on the matter.

FreshestSlice
Go ahead and give me the source. For that matter, give me the source that Sith Warrior is the title given to anyone instead of a profession.

You want a source that people... aren't called something? How about proving a positive instead of asking me to prove negatives?

And I don't actually contest that it's a profession. That's the point- Warrior is a profession (and the name of a profession can be called a title, but whatever) that has people of different levels. Imperial Knight is a rank given to those of high level only.

Your claim is that Sith Warrior is somehow bound by rank, when it isn't. Something that I have refuted many times now. Do I think the average Imperial Knight could kill the average Sith Acolyte? Yes, without question. However, a Sith Warrior is not bound by titles, it is a fighting focus.

Sure, it's a fighting focus. Including, gasp, people who are only equal to a Jedi Knight and having a fighting focus. See, I'm agreeing with you here.

An Imperial Knight is someone who's, specifically, equal to a Jedi Master or Sith Lord, and has a fighting focus.

As I've covered a few times. That's what it means.

And the point? They still follow the same logic. Being able to blow things up with magic has never been a qualifier for the Knights.

Being highly combat capable is, actually, a required qualifier for being an Imperial Knight. They do have other skills but you cannot qualify without being a combat badass, you will not get the title.

Btw, to go to the RPG again, levels aren't everything, but- Random unnamed Imperial Knight, Level 11, all in force-using classes.

Maris Brood, level 7. Kueller, who beat a wounded Luke, 9. Xanatos, Qui-Gon's student before Obi-Wan, 9. All weaker than literally any Imperial Knight.

Again, being combat badass is a requirement to being an Imperial Knight.

There was already a quote posted about how powerful the TOR Jedi are. I don't need to post another.

Definitely the last time I'm speaking on the matter.

I like how your argument is "Ranks don't matter for power. Except for the non-rank title of Sith Warrior, which totally matters more for power and means they're stronger!"

Sure, TOR Jedi are strong. Are random TOR Jedi Knights stronger than Masters from other eras? That, you've yet to prove any backing for.

"Sith Warrior is not a rank" doesn't even come close to supporting your conclusion that Sith Warriors are stronger.

There is a major gap here where you're arguing that ranks *never* matter for power (Counterpoints: Rule of Two Sith Lords... any rank given specifically for reaching a certain level of power), and then somehow concluding that that makes your side stronger.