Originally posted by carthage
Your posts on the subject are meaningless. Kas'sim has demonstrated nothing other than how incompetent he was to get his ass killed by Trainee Bane.
The other students told stories about Sirak's skill that were so great they seemed to be exaggerated, and Bane recognized them to be very accurate when Sirak first engages him, even though he was unaware that Sirak was just toying with him at that point, not even showing his true skill. And the other students high regard for him involved them referring to him as "untouchable" and "the perfect being.
When Sirak stops toying with him, he demonstrated the ability to seemlessly blend several forms into a single sequence, something you yourself noted to be highly impressive on the Venamis vs Katarn thread, and he also showed himself to be ambidextrous, something Newguy1 claimed to be impressive on the exact same thread.
Sirak was also very strong in the Dark Side of the force, as per several quotes, and his strength in the force was demonstrated by the fact that he was capable of producing lightning of lethal intensity.
From all of this, it becomes apparent that Sirak is very damn good as a duelist.
Right after Bane completely curbstomped Sirak, he still considered the notion of him being able to face Kas'im in a serious fight a preposterous one, and he wasn't even aware of Kas'im's true skill with a double bladed lightsaber, much less with Jar'kai. This speaks leaps and bounds for Kas'im's skill, given how good I have just proven Sirak to be, and the fact that someone who curbstomped Sirak would have no chance against Kas'im even when not considering the full scope of Kas'im's ability with a saberstaff.
By Lehon, Bane had improved significantly from his victory over Sirak to the point at which he was able to bridge that large gap in ability, and drive back Kas'im into a quick retreat when Kas'im was going all out with his saberstaff.
When Kas'im switched over to Jar'kai, his ability was at the level that he was now driving Bane to a quick retreat, despite how great a duelist Bane was at that point.
Evidently from all of this evidence, Bane and Kas'im are far greater duelists then you choose to give them credit for, and only your hatred of Bane blinds you to that fact.
Again if Kas'sim was so "good" he should've beaten Bane by virtue of his skill not by trickery and for all of his supposed "mastery" getting beaten by a trainee in spite of numerous advantages (his skill, a nexus, and hiding his knowledge of Jar kai). He has no force feats and or accolades that put him above Tiin or any PT Jedi with feats. Kas'sim sucks
Also Sirrak is featless
When Kas'im switched over to Jar'kai, his ability was at the level that he was now driving Bane to a quick retreat, despite how great a duelist Bane was at that point.
Let me marvel at the fact that struggling with a trainee with multiple advantages is somehow amazing to your fanboyism.
You just completely disregarded my entire argument.
Originally posted by carthage
Again if Kas'sim was so "good" he should've beaten Bane by virtue of his skill not by trickery and for all of his supposed "mastery" getting beaten by a trainee in spite of numerous advantages
Originally posted by carthage
(his skill, a nexus, and hiding his knowledge of Jar kai).
I've already proven that the Nexus had a negligible impact on their fighting based on speed comparison. Even so that point is already moot because the Nexus would've benefited both parties.
Kas'im was beating Bane with his knowledge of Jar'kai and only lost when Bane brought out his advantage of superior strength in the force.
Originally posted by carthage
He has no force feats and or accolades that put him above Tiin or any PT Jedi with feats.
As far as accolades go, Kas'im's form and technique were described as flawless, even when he was greatly holding back. He defeated his own master before his prime, and his master was an extremely skilled duelist according to an accolade. He was widely recognized as the greatest duelist in the Order, and the possibility was considered that Kas'im may have been the greatest duelist who ever lived up until his time.
Originally posted by carthage
Kas'sim sucks
Originally posted by carthage
Also Sirrak is featless
You choosing to write off Sirak as featless, despite him having the exact same skill feat that you rated Venamis highly for, proves that you are a biased, ignorant, and devoid of logic.
You don't even look closely enough at Kas'im and Sirak to spell their names right.
Bane was no longer a trainee, and as I have proven above, his skill vastly improved from when he was promoted to the Sith Council to his fight with Kas'im on Lehon. And even as a "trainee," Bane still shitstomped Sirak, who I have proven to be a highly skilled duelist in his own right.
He wasn't declared Dark lord yet, ergo, he was still a trainee. Hence why I call him trainee Bane, and there is nothing impressive about him beating a featless trainee. If that's your best example of him being a "Skilled duelist" is beating a fellow trainee (who he lost too), then you're a bigger retard than I thought.
You say that Kas'im should beat him because of his skill, yet you claim his skill is an unfair advantage?
I said he had three advantages on his side, and even in spite of that he lost. It proves his incompetence not Bane's skill. Try again
I've already proven that the Nexus had a negligible impact on their fighting based on speed comparison. Even so that point is already moot because the Nexus would've benefited both parties.
You haven't proven anything, on Lehon Bane topples a temple on Ruusan he breaks boxes and crates. Bane utilized a nexus and never replicated any of his higher end feats off nexus in any of the books. Sorry.
Kas'im was beating Bane with his knowledge of Jar'kai and only lost when Bane brought out his advantage of superior strength in the force.
Yet he still died and lost to a trainee who used a nexus to win. Lol
Aside from shielding himself from a force wave powerful enough to bring down the Rakatan Temple?
As far as accolades go, Kas'im's form and technique were described as flawless, even when he was greatly holding back. He defeated his own master before his prime, and his master was an extremely skilled duelist according to an accolade. He was widely recognized as the greatest duelist in the Order, and the possibility was considered that Kas'im may have been the greatest duelist who ever lived up until his tim
You're retarded. That was a 3rd person quote from Bane. Kas'sim has no dueling feats or accolades from an objective source, so we're relying entirely on trainee Bane's word. Feats >> opinions. Kas'sim has no feats that prove he is a skilled duelist
I provided you with numerous accolades for Sirak's ability. I also provided you with a demonstration of Sirak's ability (blending several forms into a single sequence), one that you used to place Venamis on Katarn's skill level when he had exactly that same feat.
Lol @ comparing Sirrak to Venamis. Venamis fought a stronger opponent off a nexus, kept up with his speed, and was trained from his inception to defeat him. Sirrak is a featless trainee who fought on a nexus and defeated a trainee on a nexus. There is a massive discrepancy in skill, Venamis was a potential Dark lord and Sirrak died a trainee. Again they are two different examples, not to mention Plagueis is infinitely more powerful and had higher end feats than Trainee Bane
You choosing to write off Sirak as featless, despite him having the exact same skill feat that you rated Venamis highly for, proves that you are a biased, ignorant, and devoid of logic.
Your comparing a weak trainee to a guy who fought the 3rd most powerful dark lord of the Sith and kept up with him. There is no argument to be had here.
Originally posted by carthage
He wasn't declared Dark lord yet, ergo, he was still a trainee. Hence why I call him trainee Bane, and there is nothing impressive about him beating a featless trainee. If that's your best example of him being a "Skilled duelist" is beating a fellow trainee (who he lost too), then you're a bigger retard than I thought.
Originally posted by carthage
I said he had three advantages on his side, and even in spite of that he lost. It proves his incompetence not Bane's skill. Try again
His skill was not an unfair advantage as it was within his own ability. The nexus was not an unfair advantage because both were dark side aligned. His skill in Jar'kai allowed him to drive Bane into a desperate retreat, when he then lost to Bane's advantage "his enormous command of the force."
Originally posted by carthage
You haven't proven anything, on Lehon Bane topples a temple on Ruusan he breaks boxes and crates. Bane utilized a nexus and never replicated any of his higher end feats off nexus in any of the books. Sorry.
Perhaps it's because Bane never had another opportunity to demonstrate that level of telekinetic ability again. On Ruusan, all there was for him to destroy was a campsite, and he still ****ed that up. That does not demonstrate itself as the max of Bane's abilities however.
In Nadd's tomb he hurls a large stone slab that is cursed to be unmovable by Sith Sorcery. This is also an impressive showing of telekinesis.
After that point Bane was covered in Orbalisks, so he couldn't exactly demonstrate stuff without the Orbalisks because they were attatched to him.
In DOE after losing the orbalisks, he also never had a chance to demonstrate a feat on that telekinetic level, because in his confrontation with Cognus and the Doan guard, Cognus was suppressing his force power.
When he was in the Stone Prison, he was drugged, and underground surrounded by walls filled with explosives. It is unlikely he would choose to utilize telekinesis to such an extent that would bring the prison down on him.
On Ambria there was no shit for him to knock over.
Bane never had an opportunity to demonstrate the temple feat again, however you have nothing that shows that the limit of Bane's ability is below that.
Once again the Nexus argument is moot here as it didn't give Bane or Kas'im an unfair advantage over the other.
Originally posted by carthage
Yet he still died and lost to a trainee who used a nexus to win. Lol
Originally posted by carthage
Not impressive, its a basic force shield and Bane never again replicated the effect of a powerful TK wave off nexus. It was one off.
Whether or not Bane has demonstrated that feat again does not make Kas'im any less impressive, as the one time he did it, Kas'im blocked it.
Originally posted by carthage
You're retarded. That was a 3rd person quote from Bane. Kas'sim has no dueling feats or accolades from an objective source, so we're relying entirely on trainee Bane's word. Feats >> opinions. Kas'sim has no feats that prove he is a skilled duelist
Originally posted by carthage
Lol @ comparing Sirrak to Venamis. Venamis fought a stronger opponent off a nexus, kept up with his speed, and was trained from his inception to defeat him. Sirrak is a featless trainee who fought on a nexus and defeated a trainee on a nexus. There is a massive discrepancy in skill, Venamis was a potential Dark lord and Sirrak died a trainee. Again they are two different examples, not to mention Plagueis is infinitely more powerful and had higher end feats than Trainee Bane
Originally posted by carthage
Your comparing a weak trainee to a guy who fought the 3rd most powerful dark lord of the Sith and kept up with him. There is no argument to be had here.
I'm not disagreeing that Venamis is Sirak's superior, but Sirak achieving what you count as an impressive skill feat for Venamis still marks him as a very skilled duelist, no matter what twisted logic you try and pull out your ass. They may be different characters, but it's the same feat.