Originally posted by Shakyamunison
At least I can up with an answer.
well, an "at least" is no better than "just because"...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Anyway, we were not talking about bestiality. You keep bringing that up as the reason why homosexuality is wrong.
So, what you are telling me is that sense bestiality is wrong, just because, then homosexuality is wrong? That is just silly.
just pointing out that not all that's "natural" is morally correct...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don’t know about the Romans,
of course you don't...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
but homosexuals are not heterosexuals that gave up having sex with the opposite sex. Homosexuals are people who have a sexual orientation toward their own sex.
you are throwing premises here and there, then abandoning them when you feel convenient... smh...
this was my response when you said:
I can answer it; the people who wrote the bible did not like homosexuals.
i'm just qualifying that the people stated in the Bible that practice homosexual acts are heterosexuals who gave up natural relations with women, their hearts are full of lust that they lost appetite to the opposite sex, as was written in Romans 1:27...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why would you want to change a homosexual?
another appeal to spite... what's wrong with you, man?
i said, no one can change the person, but one can stop the act...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If my answer is not sufficient,
it's not that your answer is insufficient... your answer is inappropriate when you bring up OT which is clearly outdated... there's a reason why it's called "the OLD" Testament, dude...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, that is another matter. I think Jesus did marry. But that’s another topic for another day.
yeah, and that's just what you think...
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
How do you maniacs keep this up, I feel sorry for you're keyboards, wrists and most of all, fingers!
😆
Originally posted by dyajeep
well, an "at least" is no better than "just because"...
Originally posted by dyajeep
just pointing out that not all that's "natural" is morally correct...
Originally posted by dyajeep
of course you don't...
Originally posted by dyajeep
i'm just qualifying that the people stated in the Bible that practice homosexual acts are heterosexuals who gave up natural relations with women, their hearts are full of lust that they lost appetite to the opposite sex, as was written in Romans 1:27...
Originally posted by dyajeep
i said, no one can change the person, but one can stop the act...
Originally posted by dyajeep
it's not that your answer is insufficient... your answer is inappropriate when you bring up OT which is clearly outdated... there's a reason why it's called "the OLD" Testament, dude...
In the bible, why is the act of homosexuality immoral?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did you not understand what I said? In other words, the Romans aside… It was an expression, and had nothing to do with the amount of knowledge I have or don’t have.
If you did understand, then this is just hate. Hate towards me for believing something differently then you. Only you know the truth of your intent.
look who's talking... may i remind you how you twisted the word "especially"? using your own logic, if you did understand, then what you're doing is also hate... hate towards me because i defend the book you are disgusted on...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you are not talking about homosexuals. It is not the act that defines the person. It is their sexual orientation that defines a person as homosexual.
that's what it says in the Bible... if you think it's not about homosexuals, then the Bible is not homophobic as you claim it to be!
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I said why would you want to change a homosexual, not a heterosexual that, for whatever reason, engaged in homosexual activity.
as per what's written, it really was heterosexuals engaged in homosexual activities... and i'm not changing anything, especially the person... again, the act can be stopped...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It doesn’t matter. If you don’t like my answer, for any reason, then you answer the question.
you still don't get it, do you? it's not that i don't like your answer, nor it's insufficient... by constantly bringing up OT, your answer is inappropriate... you do know what's "inappropriate", right?
Originally posted by dyajeep
that's what it says in the Bible... if you think it's not about homosexuals, then the Bible is not homophobic as you claim it to be!
Originally posted by dyajeep
as per what's written, it really was heterosexuals engaged in homosexual activities... and i'm not changing anything, especially the person... again, the act can be stopped...
Originally posted by dyajeep
you still don't get it, do you? it's not that i don't like your answer, nor it's insufficient... by constantly bringing up OT, your answer is inappropriate... you do know what's "inappropriate", right?
In the bible, why is the act of homosexuality immoral?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, the bible says that all homosexuals are really heterosexuals that engage in homosexual activity. That is not only wrong, but extremely homophobic.
🤨 i don't know what you're talking about, dude... don't know where in the blue hell you got that interpretation... 'coz that's surely not mine...
maybe i should stop, 'coz it's really obvious what your motive is - to put Christianity and the Bible in bad light... but then again, i will just plainly tell you that you're wrong... if you're right about Christianity, i'd be the first one to shout it out...
Originally posted by dyajeep
🤨 i don't know what you're talking about, dude... don't know where in the blue hell you got that interpretation... 'coz that's surely not mine...maybe i should stop, 'coz it's really obvious what your motive is - to put Christianity and the Bible in bad light... but then again, i will just plainly tell you that you're wrong... if you're right about Christianity, i'd be the first one to shout it out...
baby
In the bible, why is the act of homosexuality immoral?
The reason I ask is because in REALITY, it's not.
And I never had to make Christianity look bad, you did that for me.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
babyIn the bible, why is the act of homosexuality immoral?
The reason I ask is because in REALITY, it's not.
And I never had to make Christianity look bad, you did that for me.
ugh! that attitude... ❌
in reality, homosexuals have the same hope for salvation as heterosexuals do, according to the Bible... and that's what's my message from the beginning...
distorting that will prove your real motive...
you keep asking the same question because that's where you think you can make an open shot at me...
while i already said that i do not deny that homosexual act is prohibited in the Bible, it does not - in any way - discriminate the homosexual person, as Christianity preaches love and impartiality to all people...
Originally posted by dyajeep
ugh! that attitude... ❌
Originally posted by dyajeep
in reality, homosexuals have the same hope for salvation as heterosexuals do, according to the Bible... and that's what's my message from the beginning...
Originally posted by dyajeep
distorting that will prove your real motive...
Originally posted by dyajeep
you keep asking the same question because that's where you think you can make an open shot at me...
Originally posted by dyajeep
while i already said that i do not deny that homosexual [b]act is prohibited in the Bible, it does not - in any way - discriminate the homosexual person, as Christianity preaches love and impartiality to all people... [/B]
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have been nothing but nasty to me.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I just asked a simple question, that you couldn’t answer, and what I got in return was hate. I doubt that you are even a Christian.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
After all the hell you have put me through, I deserve an answer to my question. But you can’t answer it. All you can do is be hatful.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have not seen any love. All you have is evil, and contempt for anyone who is different from you.
🤨 are you kidding me? you think you've been offended/persecuted here? i don't think you have any right of telling me that - "After all the hell you have put me through" stuff...
know what? if hate is all you see, then that's your problem... i've been saying stuff and you keep misinterpreting them, even accusing me of hating you... you are way out of line by pulling this kind of argument... putting me, Christianity and the Bible in bad light - now after all the hell YOU have put me through, you have the audacity to talk like i offended you or something?
now, is this crap supposed to be the attitude of someone who practices Buddhism? 😐 and maybe you'll just spit some copout and turn the discussion around again to put Christianity in bad light... that's how you roll, right?
look at yourself, shak... you claim i'm filled with hate, yet i'm just defending the Bible from your deliberate misinterpretations... stop putting "the hate" on me, when all this hate comes from you...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am tired of being mistreated by you.
🤨 wow... one moment, you fell out of your chair laughing... now, you're supposed to be "hurt"... i don't care if you don't read this or won't reply, but honestly, you definitely excel in the art of fallacies in arguments... first, appeal to spite and ridicule, now, an appeal to pity...
thank you for not responding anymore, so this topic can lay to rest.. 😎
Originally posted by dyajeep
🤨 wow... one moment, you fell out of your chair laughing... now, you're supposed to be "hurt"... i don't care if you don't read this or won't reply, but honestly, you definitely excel in the art of fallacies in arguments... first, appeal to spite and ridicule, now, an appeal to pity...thank you for not responding anymore, so this topic can lay to rest.. 😎
U 2 need to patch shit up! This has been great comedy. Highly amusing stuff.
Originally posted by dyajeep
nope, i just know how blind you are that you cannot see something out of the box... you can be gay or lesbian without engaging in homosexual acts, and being so, you'll be a candidate for salvation...you're thinking that homosexual person and homosexual acts are inseparable... well, you're d@mn wrong!
So if separable, why does your God punish the person he loves instead of the sin he hates?
You can do this come on now. Or will you just say God can do whatever he likes. Intelligent or not.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
So if separable, why does your God punish the person he loves instead of the sin he hates?You can do this come on now. Or will you just say God can do whatever he likes. Intelligent or not.
Regards
DL
I doubt you will get anything productive. Hate for people who believe differently for these kind of Christians overrides communication and truth.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
So if separable, why does your God punish the person he loves instead of the sin he hates?You can do this come on now. Or will you just say God can do whatever he likes. Intelligent or not.
Regards
DL
Enlighten us. Please.
How EXACTLY do you punish a sin or an action, etcetera, WITHOUT punishing the person who committed that sin or action?
Kindly give a specific EXAMPLE of this.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
So if separable, why does your God punish the person he loves instead of the sin he hates?You can do this come on now. Or will you just say God can do whatever he likes. Intelligent or not.
Regards
DL
for starters, God forgives and forgets the sins to save the person. how's that?
btw... the problem with people who pretends to be "hurt", is that they PRETEND in the first place... a forumer who is well-known to bash Christianity and the Bible pretends to be hurt... no one is stupid enough to buy that crap... please do not pass on the "hate" on other people when the "hate" is clearly on yourself...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I doubt you will get anything productive. Hate for people who believe differently for these kind of Christians overrides communication and truth.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Things are never what they seem nor can anyone really accuratly imagine what the future would be like long after we have dissapered. Many people think they have the definitive answers to the reality that they're momentarily a part of but we are just passing through. Was Moses's account of creation an inspired vision or just old wives tales? How else could Moses or any one else of his day have explained the Big Bang theory? And we, in our day we are none the wiser for having devised better theory for getting stuff out of nothing.
So in my humble opinion arguing about religion is a massive step backwards. Someone said the other day
@shitmydadsays: "We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the ****ing irony in that."
After all, people only follow religion because they want to live for ever. none of them really love the God they follow and if they did they would be greatful for the one life they have and certainly respect the lives of others