Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
Thor wasn't holding back mid-way through the fight and he got his ass handed to him, why such certainty? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't confused.
Originally posted by OnslaughtKILLS
No, and I am not a Thor-hater. I'm Marvel all day every day so its funny how presumptuous people can be.I feel like people are acting like I am making a claim that the Walrus can beat Thor, hell I didn't even state that the Superior Venom can beat Thor, I made the thread and asked the question.
Do I think the Superior Venom is a match for Thor? Well, lets look at the facts.
-We know that the symbiote's strengths are influenced greatly on the host. Some hosts make the symbiote stronger and some hosts make the symbiote weaker. It can very well be argued that the symbiote on the Superior Spider-Man is the strongest incarnation to date. And throughout the fight I mentioned, the Superior Venom was gaining strength and speed.
-It can be argued, aside from Superior Spider-Man, Eddie Brock resulted in the strongest Venom incarnation. His feats are so incredibly varied its hard to pin point how strong he is/how his defenses are. I believe his worst appearance was when Ben Urich literally turned his lighter on and it made Venom run away. A freaking lighter. In contrast to that, there's been scenes where Venom has been surrounded by scorching fire and still was able to do things like lift a building. Fire aside, he has ALWAYS been extremely durable. He's laughed off hits from the Juggernaut, the Thing (who he beat), Ghost Rider, Hulk. It can be assumed Thor would not be able to use his weakness against him anyway.
-At Venom's prime, both publishers and writers of Marvel and DC pit Venom against Superman in a crossover. Yes, its not canon but that doesn't negate the fact both creative teams put Venom on par with Superman. Who has better authority then the writers and publishers of both teams? Again, not to say Eddie Brock's Venom can take on Superman, but it shows how strong they thought Venom was at his prime (same time period he took on Juggernaut).
Obviously not Thor Thor, but Spider-Man has always been shown to be faster and more agile then Thor. This is greatly increased by the symbiote (and throughout the fight, he showed he was much faster and more versatile then Thor). Not to mention, unlike Eddie Brock's Venom, the Superior Venom has a spider-sense.
So we can definitively say Spider-Man (and with the symbiote, this is tenfold) is faster then Thor. It would be very hard for Thor to even land a blow against him, let alone pummel him with ease (as many people in this thread claim he would do).
Although the symbiote is essentially controlling him, he clearly has access to Doc Ock's genius brain. Time and time again, the Superior Spider-Man has shown to be much more tactful and resourceful then Thor.
Can the Superior Venom take on Thor? Maybe. He was shown to take on the Avengers without being inflicted any damage, and towards the end of the fight (no matter what anyone says in this thread), Thor was fighting at his full potential.
Versatile? Seriously, Venom's more versatile than Thor? You must be smoking something strong.
Venom beat thing? I don't remember that. He only managed to insert his tongue into thing's throat who spit it out afterwards
Ghost Rider-dunno
Hulk-he got destroyed against Hulk. He able to do pretty much nothing against him before being nearly liquidised by Hulk's thunderclap
Against Juggernaut, untill he took in that chemical, things went badly for him
Thor doesn't have to touch him going all out. That's what his winds are for. He can summon class 5 storms you know?
Originally posted by carver9
How though when he had the advantage going by on panel showing? No one could hit him.
Because Thor, despite his words, is capable of much more. Flight, for example.
And because we disregard PIS. So once it moves out of the realms of the comic, and onto the forums, Thor wrecks shops.
Put it this way; contrast this fight with the one with Nuul.
Going by on-panel showings, Thor has much more to give.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because Thor, despite his words, is capable of much more. Flight, for example.And because we disregard PIS. So once it moves out of the realms of the comic, and onto the forums, Thor wrecks shops.
Put it this way; contrast this fight with the one with Nuul.
Going by on-panel showings, Thor has much more to give.
The Nul example isn't a good example though. Nul was an idiot that didn't fight back (look at his fight against Ms. Marvel).
I'm looking at that fight. Thor used lightning, which he dodged due to his Spider sense and speed. Thor used brute force which he dodged again due to his Spider sense. The only thing that is missing is a tornado.
Originally posted by carver9
The Nul example isn't a good example though. Nul was an idiot that didn't fight back (look at his fight against Ms. Marvel).I'm looking at that fight. Thor used lightning, which he dodged due to his Spider sense and speed. Thor used brute force which he dodged again due to his Spider sense. The only thing that is missing is a tornado.
Originally posted by carver9
What if I provide scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power...that should give him the opportunity to unleash an attack, even if Superman used his speed?
Post scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power. Then argue against yourself lol. Are you seriously going to contend that...Venom (who isn't really superior in terms of strength; remember Ock was unable to replicate Spiderman's strength feats due to his lack of heart force) with Cap's shield > Celestials?
I am planning on just replying to you with your own quotes lol.
Read the scans shown by OP. Now compare it to this:
Originally posted by carver9
I was being sarcastic to you...basically using your twisted way of debating. I don't think it takes Celestial power to hurt Thor.Thor fought out of character against Nul. He explained why in the scan before that.
Yeah, and we saw how that turned out - you fled after being shown up. Again.
But you HAVE scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power, right?
So which is the PIS? Thor withstanding Celestial power (your words) or being taken out by Venom and Cap's shield? They both CAN'T be right, can they?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, and we saw how that turned out - you fled after being shown up. Again.But you HAVE scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power, right?
So which is the PIS? Thor withstanding Celestial power (your words) or being taken out by Venom and Cap's shield? They both CAN'T be right, can they?
When did i flee? What thread?
I do have scans of Thor withstanding Celestial power but there's no need for me to post it. I never gave my opinion on who'll win. I just said this was already done and Thor wasn't looking so great.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So IYO, it wasn't PIS, and Venom with shield > the most powerful herald?
Never gave my opinion on the fight. Said that it happened on panel. I dont think of Thor as completely invulnerable though and per Venom own words, his power was growing. So we have no define strength level of said character when he hit that shield across that throat.
Originally posted by carver9
Never gave my opinion on the fight. Said that it happened on panel. I d in t think of Thor as completely invulnerable though and per Venom own words, his power was growing. So we have no define strength level of said character when he hit that shield across that throat.
So.....what is your point? Answer the question in the OP, if you please.
IYO, does this mean the strength level of Venom was > Celestials, then?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So.....what is your point? Answer the question in the OP, if you please.IYO, does this mean the strength level of Venom was > Celestials, then?
99% of the people that Thor fight isn't close to the power level of a Celestial. Don't know why you keep bringing that fight up.