Strongest Marvel and DC character Kaguya Ootsutsuki can defeat

Originally posted by Q99
Really what she has going for is raw variety of abilities.

Kaguya should have the Juubi-Jinchuuriki 'orbs of erase stuff, no regen'.

She can drain power.

She can mind control people with a look (Rinnegan-sharingan).

Rip out souls (rinnegan powers).

Re-write terrain (Magneto? Oops, now in a place with no metal!) and teleport.

Temporarily paralyze foes of even Naruto and Sasuke's level (meaning, someone extremely powerful but using active powers? Likely to find themselves stunned and immobile, set up for an easy kill.

You're apparently forgetting that before she could do any of that, Magneto could simply rip her apart by controlling the iron in her blood. She has no durability feats on planetary level, meaning cannon, comic Magneto could shit on her.

Considering Madara, who is infinitely inferior to Kaguya, can casually be cut in half without any trouble, I'm not sure how being ripped apart would really stop her.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're apparently forgetting that before she could do any of that, Magneto could simply rip her apart by controlling the iron in her blood. She has no durability feats on planetary level, meaning cannon, comic Magneto could shit on her.

Why would Magneto be able to do 'before' when she's the faster? It's the other way around- she'd do 'before' he could do any big feats.

Also, iron-blood manipulation tends to be a lot smaller and more precise than that. Actually ripping someone apart requires more metal to work with.

>Kaguya
>faster than Magneto

lol'd

Anyways, Magneto could just **** around with her internals and all. Or atomise her. Whatever works

isn't Magneto relativistic or something like that in reaction speed? Kaguya sure hasn't shown anything on that level of speed, if this is the case.

Originally posted by danteiscool
isn't Magneto relativistic or something like that in reaction speed? Kaguya sure hasn't shown anything on that level of speed, if this is the case.

Are you lot mistaking Magneto for someone with true super speed?

He has some reflexive abilities like bullet blocking- that isn't conscious- but his offensive powers? He still does them at a basically human rate.

His defense is generally a 'turtle' one, raise his energy shield and then use his powers from there, but no, he is definitely not a speedster.

Originally posted by danteiscool
isn't Magneto relativistic or something like that in reaction speed?

So he might barely be able to react to a bullet. But relativistic? No. Heck, if he was then Quicksilver wouldn't be able to lay a finger on him.

That said. Kaguya definitely has the speed advantage against Magneto.

Thanks Astner.

So yea, he's a damn-fasted human, faster than any normal human, but his own son is faster.

huh, alright. must've misread something...

So now that the whole Magneto thing has been cleared up...do we have an answer? I'd agree with her being low level Herald but that's just me.

Originally posted by Q99
Why would Magneto be able to do 'before' when she's the faster? It's the other way around- she'd do 'before' he could do any big feats.

Also, iron-blood manipulation tends to be a lot smaller and more precise than that. Actually ripping someone apart requires more metal to work with.

Because he was able to stop a planet sized steel bullet traveling near light speed from hitting Earth. That speed feat should be enough to say his cannon comic self can control metal at that fast a rate. The iron in Kaguya's blood would probably be enough to, at the very least, stop her movement until he could pull it out, and kill her.

Also, aren't her black sphere things made from organic metal? If so, then he could control those as well, and make them trap or dismember her.

I wasn't even suggesting him to be faster than her, but his metallic control is near instant, meaning unless someone is moving before he starts, he can usually pull their iron out. In this case though, he could always use the chakra infused metal spheres.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So now that the whole Magneto thing has been cleared up...do we have an answer? I'd agree with her being low level Herald but that's just me.

How low Herald?

The bullet one would depend on how far away it was from him and how much time/distance was travelled from him seeing it to acting.

Eg a character would only need supersonic reactions if the planetoid travelled 1,000km (a tenth of its diameter, nothing given its speed) before being controlled.

The balls? Pretty sure they're just pure, dense chakra.

Low Herald seems fine as she's Moon level by power scaling, with a bundle of abilities and.. okay not going to say the speed as recent calcs have current naruto as relativistic. Would like others to confirm this.

Originally posted by BloodRain
okay not going to say the speed as recent calcs have current naruto as relativistic.

I haven't been keeping up with calcs in a while 🙁 not sure what's legit anymore.

Originally posted by BloodRain
okay not going to say the speed as recent calcs have current naruto as relativistic.

But what can you do? If these kids get off to the e-cred they get from applying their elementary school trigonometry to manga scans they're going to continue doing it.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Busting a planet the size of the Earth would take somewhere around a thousand times more energy than busting a moon, which Hagoromo didn't actually do.

Nah, 82 times more, not 1000.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I haven't been keeping up with calcs in a while 🙁 not sure what's legit anymore.

A cursory glance at some of their figures should be enough.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=22330

Take a glance at this, and you'll see the figures are ridiculous. Using repeated calc-stacking (lol): a root of the Shinju, at its widest, had previously been calc'd to be far wider than Mt. Everest is high (63 km vs. 8.8 km). From that, Madara's Chibaku Tensei meteorites are scaled to be around 50 times taller than Mt. Everest (400+km), and would consequently be scaled to be so high up, they'd be Medium Earth Orbit satellites in our world; they look like they reach Low Orbit heights in Naruto-verse.

Honestly, I can see the Shinju itself being 63 km tall, but one of its 'roots' being that wide? That's just absurd.

These guys take scaling and calc-stacking to ridiculous extremes, ignoring the simple fact that Kishi doesn't always draw everything to scale. This calc gives the Shinju a height of just over a kilometer tall. Although he left out the distance. srug

~ PS, Madara's Perfect Susano'o was calc'd to be around a mile high, despite looking nowhere near that tall in most of its appearances. facepalm2

So at this point, I don't look at their Naruto calcs.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah, 82 times more, not 1000.

I was using the (theoretical) energy values posted up somewhere on the net (I think its the OBD wiki, >__>😉. They came up with those energy values using the Gravitational Binding Energy of the object, and not its Mass. The GBE of the Earth (-1.711×10^32 J) is around 1400 times more than that of the Moon (-1.223×10^29 J). (http://typnet.net/Essays/EarthBind.htm)

Whatever. Point is it's a lot more energy required when compared to Moon busting. And we don't exactly know how Kaguya scales to a Juubi-less Hagoromo.

EDIT: Here: (29 exatons for Moon busting vs. 57.3 zettatons for Planet busting)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I was using the (theoretical) energy values posted up somewhere on the net (I think its the OBD wiki, >__>😉. They came up with those energy values using the Gravitational Binding Energy of the object, and not its Mass. The GBE of the Earth (-1.711×10^32 J) is around 1400 times more than that of the Moon (-1.223×10^29 J). (http://typnet.net/Essays/EarthBind.htm)

Whatever. Point is it's a lot more energy required when compared to Moon busting. And we don't exactly know how Kaguya scales to a Juubi-less Hagoromo.

EDIT: Here: (29 exatons for Moon busting vs. 57.3 zettatons for Planet busting)

Holy shit...I'm wrong about something.

I was positive the mass difference was the variable change in the GBE formula since the average density was used (in my estimate). But, yes, you're right: transitive property didn't apply and I should have done the math. 🙁

Edit - I'll review the work on that site probably tomorrow.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Holy shit...I'm wrong about something.

I was positive the mass difference was the variable change in the GBE formula since the average density was used (in my estimate). But, yes, you're right: transitive property didn't apply and I should have done the math. 🙁

Edit - I'll review the work on that site probably tomorrow.

No biggies. We all find ourselves being wrong at some point or another.

Cool. Lemme know what you think. I kinda like his work. 👆