Originally posted by carver9Right, but God Cable could disassemble things on an atomic level. Iron Man's armor might have defences to this, but surviving Hulk's fists is no proof of that defence, given that the attacks would be completely different.
😂No, that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is, Ironman armor is more complex than what you think.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85thor possessed the odinforce at the time, iirc.
So you're saying if I wanted to open my PC up, if I am unable to open it by punching, using a screwdriver wouldn't work either?Also, with regards to IM/Thor:
http://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/thorman7.jpg
a more recent battle between bleeding edge and standard thor depicted them as nigh-equals.
Originally posted by carver9You're talking about the attack that didn't even slow or put down the Asgardian amped Grey Gargoyle?
Disagree. I usually don't debate in my own threads but Tony isn't getting much credit here. His regular Extremis armor without the modifications in the scans I've posted gave Thor trouble and took a chunk out of an amped Grey Gargoyal that was walking around with Asgardians armor. That's his standard Extremis armor. Anything significantly amplified beyond his standard should be challenge and could potentially win.
Thor would remind Tony once again the difference between a God of Thunder and a man in a metal suit.
Originally posted by Existere
Right, but God Cable could disassemble things on an atomic level. Iron Man's armor might have defences to this, but surviving Hulk's fists is no proof of that defence, given that the attacks would be completely different.
WWH fist has punched things down to the atomic level (Deadpool fight). 😠
I get your points though. When has Cable used something like that in combat? I read every comic with him in it and I have as of yet to see him use that in combat. Everything I've said about Ironman, he has actually done it.
Originally posted by Galan007
thor possessed the odinforce at the time, iirc.a more recent battle between bleeding edge and standard thor depicted them as nigh-equals.
True.
Depends what the Hulk buster suit can do. But I suspect that becauseit gave Hulk a good ffight, and could've beaten him, carver is going to say it clears all these guys.
Originally posted by carver9
WWH fist has punched things down to the atomic level (Deadpool fight). 😠I get your points though. When has Cable used something like that in combat? I read every comic with him in it and I have as of yet to see him use that in combat. Everything I've said about Ironman, he has actually done it.
Read his fight with Silver Surfer. He did it then. In combat.
Lol everything you've said....except the nanites because they were sabotaged.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True.Depends what the Hulk buster suit can do. But I suspect that becauseit gave Hulk a good ffight, and could've beaten him, carver is going to say it clears all these guys.
That suit is superior than your average Extremis which is my point. If it can give WWH a fight, it sure does have the potential to beat anyone here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Read his fight with Silver Surfer. He did it then. In combat.Lol everything you've said....except the nanites because they were sabotaged.
He didn't use it on Surfer though. Then he didn't do it alone. The both of them were doing it. He was fixing the damage that was created by him and Surfer.
Originally posted by carver9I was asking Galan what he thought not what you thought carver.
No, I'm talking about the fight as a whole..against someone that olds physically superior than everyone here.
As for his fight with WWH it was incredibly unimpressive and I still would not say WWH was anywhere near leagues above SS Thor and Supes in Strength or Power. So saying Tony managed to battle WWH in an obvious losing battle does't really mean much to me.
Originally posted by Newjakthey were both berserker and attacking one another as enemies(thanks to diablo's tampering), so i'd put a lot of stock in it, personally.
How much stock would you put in that fight as a true testament to their equality in power?
granted i would absolutely give thor the eventual win, but tony demonstrated that he can definitely put up a damn good fight. hell, tony even has the tools to win if he gets in a lucky shot(certain components of his tech can one-shot thor-level beings, after all.)
Originally posted by Newjak
I was asking Galan what he thought not what you thought carver.As for his fight with WWH it was incredibly unimpressive and I still would not say WWH was anywhere near leagues above SS Thor and Supes in Strength or Power. So saying Tony managed to battle WWH in an obvious losing battle does't really mean much to me.
SMH. Well on panel, your opinion is wrong on the subject. Everything points to WWH being above the Herald tier (using one of the most powerful Heralds as a benchmark).
Originally posted by Galan007Which tools are you talking about?
they were both berserker and attacking one another as enemies(thanks to diablo's tampering), so i'd put a lot of stock in it, personally.granted i would absolutely give thor the eventual win, but tony demonstrated that he can absolutely put up a damn good fight. hell, tony even has the tools to win if he gets in a lucky shot(certain components of his tech can one-shot thor-level beings, after all.)
Originally posted by Newjakspecifically, the energy saber he used to nearly decapitate a serpent-amped grey gargoyle:
Which tools are you talking about?
Originally posted by carver9I'm sorry but am and will always be unimpressed with the WWH arc.
SMH. Well on panel, your opinion is wrong on the subject. Everything points to WWH being above the Herald tier (using one of the most powerful Heralds as a benchmark).
The arc consisted of him not even fighting the actual top dogs. Most of the people he fought he should have beaten even before the supposed amp he had going in.
I mean the only people he fought that were in the weight class from before were. Dr. Strange who he tricked into allowing him to crush his hands before so Strange couldn't use his full powers.
An unleashed Ghost Rider who simply drove away before the fight.
The Sentry who had been pretty inconsistent.
The Juggernaut who managed to fight WWH to a stand still and WWH couldn't damage.
So once again I don't equate WWH has a greater being then most of these guys.
