Originally posted by leonidas
and in #80 didn't morg have the wol amp (i can never remember all the details of that, so maybe someone can correct me if i'm wrong? ambient??) if so, what morg did in #80 is meaningless to this--off-topic--discussion.
On topic dough I can see mags taking control then BFR the weapon, it's just a piece of metal to someone other than this heralds. To use it as bludgeon or piercing weapon is pretty much useless in the case for mags, it would probably just bounce of the herald. I don't know if Terrax is back to his full herald level yet but even at his norm level his capable of planet slicing/ destroying destruction, A level I think Mags defence can't mount definitely. Mags need to resort to exotic display of power to take down this type/ level of opponent. My 2cent.
Originally posted by leonidas
i thought it was the wol that was used to resurrect him, no?
Originally posted by Ambient
❌ the WOL sustained Morg's spark of life (not left) which was then use as the bases in creating his biology.
Whatever. We can argue semantics if you like. The bottom line is that Morg was no longer as powerful as he was with the WOL. He was just regular old Morg. That much was made painfully clear.
Originally posted by Ambient
Yes! Morg had WOL - fact this augmentation was never removed from him.On topic dough I can see mags taking control then BFR the weapon, it's just a piece of metal to someone other than this heralds. To use it as bludgeon or piercing weapon is pretty much useless in the case for mags, it would probably just bounce of the herald. I don't know if Terrax is back to his full herald level yet but even at his norm level his capable of planet slicing/ destroying destruction, A level I think Mags defence can't mount definitely. Mags need to resort to exotic display of power to take down this type/ level of opponent. My 2cent.
Correct! Lols
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though i disagree with the effect the ax could have. even thanos was afraid of being split by the ax when morg had him down. mags could use it to generate enough force to cut or impale them badly imo. it may not make sense, but cutting/slicing can be effective against guys like this... without his ax, terrax could use his earth control, but mags could counter most of it. not sure terrax can generate or focus planet busting power without the ax. same for morg, though i do think morg is slightly more powerful than terrax.
Originally posted by Dampyre
Whatever. We can argue semantics if you like. The bottom line is that Morg was no longer as powerful as he was with the WOL. He was just regular old Morg. That much was made painfully clear.
Originally posted by leonidas
👆though i disagree with the effect the ax could have. even thanos was afraid of being split by the ax when morg had him down. mags could use it to generate enough force to cut or impale them badly imo. it may not make sense, but cutting/slicing can be effective against guys like this... without his ax, terrax could use his earth control, but mags could counter most of it. not sure terrax can generate or focus planet busting power without the ax. same for morg, though i do think morg is slightly more powerful than terrax.
Originally posted by Ambient
What? You mean how he manhandled Terrax without Axe and challenging Thanos was a clear sign of this supposed loss of power level?? 🙁 You need far better prof to support that claim brah cause current is not withstanding, as evident in a fore-mention fights stated.
Beating up Terrax is nothing special. Morg did the same thing to the Surfer when they first met. I've seen the Surfer one-shot Terrax. When Tyrant captured Morg and company he said that the Surfer was more powerful than anyone there, including Morg. And having a brief tussle with Thanos is hardly proof of anything. The Surfer was able to do the same thing in the IG saga, "brah".
You don't have proof of anything.
I just took another look at Cosmic Powers #5. Thanos blasts Morg. Morg tackles Thanos. Morg attacks Thanos with his axe which Thanos blocks. Ganymede then restrains Morg. Thanos blasts Morg who is then on his knees and stunned. Then Terrax goes on to match Morg for a bit until the device controlling Morg is destroyed. That's your proof that Morg still had the WOL? lol
Originally posted by Dampyre
Beating up Terrax is nothing special. Morg did the same thing to the Surfer when they first met. I've seen the Surfer one-shot Terrax. When Tyrant captured Morg and company he said that the Surfer was more powerful than anyone there, including Morg. And having a brief tussle with Thanos is hardly proof of anything. The Surfer was able to do the same thing in the IG saga, "brah".You don't have proof of anything.
Well perhaps his right considering Surfer at times gone way above his tier level.
Surfer did no such thing in IG saga. You have me at a loss there ??
Originally posted by Dampyre
I just took another look at Cosmic Powers #5. Thanos blasts Morg. Morg tackles Thanos. Morg attacks Thanos with his axe which Thanos blocks. Ganymede then restrains Morg. Thanos blasts Morg who is then on his knees and stunned. Then Terrax goes on to match Morg for a bit until the device controlling Morg is destroyed. That's your proof that Morg still had the WOL? lol
There is no proof that Morg still had WOL after his resurrection. In fact, Surfer beat his ass down in SS annual 7 which was long after his resurrection. Why are we talking about Morg here anyway? Does Terrax has more control over his axe than Green Lanterns have over their rings? Because "its power cosmic" so magneto can't control it is a piss poor excuse.
Originally posted by leonidas
terrax's ax would be the least of mag's worries. his ability to control earth would be the biggest threat. i could def see mags impaling terrax in a couple scenarios, but i could also see terrax overwhelming mags in others. not sure. i say terrax has greater overall power, but mags has some good counters for his abilities. maybe 6/10 mags. i actually think if they fought in a book it would be an awesome battle and maybe we'd see some unique abilities from the ax to counter mags' control of it.if you feel mags stomps, you should feel mags would ALSO stomp morg--terrax has shown a great deal more power (and versatility) without a weapon in his hand than morg has. but i certainly don't see that happening at all.
I disagree about the Earth manipulation being a problem for Erik. He could very easily disperse any earth based attack by manipulating the iron in it.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Magneto isn't stomping Terrax because he has a axe.His axe channels the PC and thst dwarfs magnetos powers
Tell that to celestial nervous system which Magnus manipulated very easily.
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Originally posted by AmbientNot really.
[B]Yes! Morg had WOL - fact this augmentation was never removed from him.
On topic dough I can see mags taking control then BFR the weapon, it's just a piece of metal to someone other than this heralds.Proof of this? I know Reed has used Firelord's staff to produce his flames while Firelord was in coma.
To use it as bludgeon or piercing weapon is pretty much useless in the case for mags, it would probably just bounce of the herald.The axe is much more durable than Terrax. Phoenix incinerated Terrax but his axe was intact just before AvX.
I don't know if Terrax is back to his full herald level yet but even at his norm level his capable of planet slicing/ destroying destruction, A level I think Mags defence can't mount definitely.That type of reasoning never holds water. Terrax is a mid class 100 and Magnus' shields have taken attacks from the likes of Herc and Thor with no problem.
Mags need to resort to exotic display of power to take down this type/ level of opponent. My 2cent.Or he could just cut Terrax in half using his own axe.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
There is no proof that Morg still had WOL after his resurrection. In fact, Surfer beat his ass down in SS annual 7 which was long after his resurrection. Why are we talking about Morg here anyway? Does Terrax has more control over his axe than Green Lanterns have over their rings? Because "its power cosmic" so magneto can't control it is a piss poor excuse.I disagree about the Earth manipulation being a problem for Erik. He could very easily disperse any earth based attack by manipulating the iron in it.
Tell that to celestial nervous system which Magnus manipulated very easily.
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i brought up morg because....ah, i forgot WHY i brought him up. lol i don't think even one person said mags can't control his ax....some were debating whether the ax would be effective against someone like terrax, especially if it is pc-less after mags controlled it.
mags may well be able to control the iron in the earth, but terrax could also attack him with elements of the earth that are NOT iron-based--at least in theory. but i agree--mags takes a majority imo. i do think it's close though and it would be nice to see mags go against a herald to test his full power level.
Originally posted by leonidas
i brought up morg because....ah, i forgot WHY i brought him up. lol i don't think even one person said mags can't control his ax....some were debating whether the ax would be effective against someone like terrax, especially if it is pc-less after mags controlled it.mags may well be able to control the iron in the earth, but terrax could also attack him with elements of the earth that are NOT iron-based--at least in theory. but i agree--mags takes a majority imo. i do think it's close though and it would be nice to see mags go against a herald to test his full power level.
You clever devil, you.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.Proof of this? I know Reed has used Firelord's staff to produce his flames while Firelord was in coma. The axe is much more durable than Terrax. Phoenix incinerated Terrax but his axe was intact just before AvX. That type of reasoning never holds water. Terrax is a mid class 100 and Magnus' shields have taken attacks from the likes of Herc and Thor with no problem. Or he could just cut Terrax in half using his own axe.
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To sum it all:
Morg was resurrected from a spark of life sustained by WOL, (his biology was created/ fan around this), then there's his statement from Annihilation bio that he was only able to survive from the UN's aftershock because of WOL . Scan are provided from both this evidence somewhere in that thread above.
Regarding his LOSS - We'll this is SS where talking about, "HE PAWNZ ALL" JK aside, you could put that @ high showing . You know with elite heralds they can go outside they're norm tier level when push come to shove, your boy Supe's is no exemption to this.
We'll in regards to the Axe, really wasn't sure of that but Terrax has ref. to it that he uses it as a point of focus to his PC and when he had Morg's Axe he stated that now he can fly but I've never seen it ref. with its own PC imbued in it ALA Surfer's board. Though I doubt that even if it is imbued with its own PC, Mags could use it and like I said to Leo I don't think Mags could hurl it at Velocity > his opponents durability. The Shield's durability is going to be a f@$k for Terrax to deal with if he can't bring it down well his toast but I think it's in his power set to bring it down. I take 7/10 for Terrax
Originally posted by AmbientI don't think bios were accurate in that series. Some said surfer got an upgrade, some said they weren't. Unless I see an actual comic scan saying he had a spark of WOL, I wouldn't believe it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=597002&pagenumber=8To sum it all:
Morg was resurrected from a spark of life sustained by WOL, (his biology was created/ fan around this), then there's his statement from Annihilation bio that he was only able to survive from the UN's aftershock because of WOL . Scan are provided from both this evidence somewhere in that thread above.
Regarding his LOSS - We'll this is SS where talking about, "HE PAWNZ ALL" JK aside, you could put that @ high showing . You know with elite heralds they can go outside they're norm tier level when push come to shove, your boy Supe's is no exemption to this.Even in that comic, Morg was saying they had comparable power. I don't see how he had WOL in that case.
We'll in regards to the Axe, really wasn't sure of that but Terrax has ref. to it that he uses it as a point of focus to his PC and when he had Morg's Axe he stated that now he can fly but I've never seen it ref. with its own PC imbued in it ALA Surfer's board. Though I doubt that even if it is imbued with its own PC, Mags could use it and like I said to Leo I don't think Mags could hurl it at Velocity > his opponents durability.That's not how it works and it indeed is imbued with his own PC. He had to stop using PC against Space Parasite as it was leeching off power from him.
The Shield's durability is going to be a f@$k for Terrax to deal with if he can't bring it down well his toast but I think it's in his power set to bring it down. I take 7/10 for TerraxI don't see how he is going to take it down with just his strength and energy blasts.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think bios were accurate in that series. Some said surfer got an upgrade, some said they weren't. Unless I see an actual comic scan saying he had a spark of WOL, I wouldn't believe it.Even in that comic, Morg was saying they had comparable power. I don't see how he had WOL in that case.
That's not how it works and it indeed is imbued with his own PC. He had to stop using PC against Space Parasite as it was leeching off power from him. I don't see how he is going to take it down with just his strength and energy blasts.
We'll then maybe Surfer needs to be bump up a tier then 😉
Further thinking about it Firelord's Staff is alway lit both ends so I guess its ala Surfer's board, the thing is I don't think that surfer can use say Firelord's staff and vice versa but the Axe could be use by diff. Herald users. So I'm still unsure of that but really this makes no diff. In that fight.
Terrax has more than energy and strength to bring to the table, he is also a Terra user. Mags shield is not be all shield, it can be broken and when it's off, his out. Does Mags even have enough omph in his firepower to put a herald level down?
Has he brought down someone with this type of durability down and out?