Originally posted by carver9
Here is the scans Stoic.
Looks to me like the Hulk wasn't at full power during his battle with Sun God according to these scans that were taken prior to the battle. Unless we want to ignore solid context. I can't see any sort of low-balling on Carver's side. At first when he brought up the argument, I thought that he was making an excuse, but he clearly was not.
Originally posted by Stoic
So the sun was hitting Jovian from a different angle than it did with the Hulk, thus they are both grey. Only the Hulk isn't being hit fully by the sunlight? This is what you're saying here correct?
Naah...he started off Grey from what we seen in the scans with no hint of Green. The more he became pissed, the more Green tried to force it's way through (which is what we see with patches of Green showing on his skin). Then be gets extremely pissed and his eyes turns green (before this, his eyes had no color). Then his stomach, arms. If you look at the last panel, the Green went away, even in his eyes (which turned back white). What I'm saying is, SUN God fought Grey Hulk that was becoming Green but due to the antidote, it prevented that from happening.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jovian is all green, baby!http://abload.de/img/6b5y2y.png
But today, the colourist Frank Martin ran out of green halfway through, so subbed gray in!
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19200256_New_Avengers_v3_020-010.jpg
I saw that. however Jovian could have been, and likely was fully exposed to the sunlight, whereas the Hulk was not. We actually do see different pigments on the Hulk. His eyes emitting gamma radiation is also a clear sign that his power is spiking, and thus he was approaching the critical levels that the serum would have begun to kick in. Carver just showed solid context of Banner being injected with the serum. Sun God fought a gimped Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Naah...he started off Grey from what we seen in the scans with no hint of Green. The more he became pissed, the more Green tried to force it's way through (which is what we see with patches of Green showing on his skin). Then be gets extremely pissed and his eyes turns green (before this, his eyes had no color). Then his stomach, arms. If you look at the last panel, the Green went away, even in his eyes (which turned back white). What I'm saying is, SUN God fought Grey Hulk that was becoming Green but due to the antidote, it prevented that from happening.
I think that you and DS are both right and if you were to combine both of your theories, you would come to the correct answer. He is correct with the coloring. I can't argue with it. I mean look at Jovian. The colorist was clearly following a guideline, and using light to show what happens when colors are hit by sunlight.
Oh. Dear.
Lies being spread by Carver I see.
Also, stoic, you have to take the entire sentence into account, and not just parts of it.
The full sentence reads that the serum allows him to control when he becomes Hulk....so he can throttle back if he becomes green with rage.
When they arrived on the planet, he was green (under Strange's light).
When they fought, he was then under the different light, and looked gray.
However, the more he fought, the angrier he got. To the point his eyes were spitting energy, like when he becomes WBH.
Sun God fought a Hulk who was nearly WBH levels. And beat him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. Dear.Lies being spread by Carver I see.
Also, stoic, you have to take the entire sentence into account, and not just parts of it.
The full sentence reads that the serum allows him to control when he becomes Hulk....so he can throttle back if he becomes green with rage.
When they arrived on the planet, he was green (under Strange's light).
When they fought, he was then under the different light, and looked gray.
However, the more he fought, the angrier he got. To the point his eyes were spitting energy, like when he becomes WBH.
Sun God fought a Hulk who was nearly WBH levels. And beat him.
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Originally posted by carver9
This is what we have. The Avengers shows up on the planet to talk to Sun God and the crew. During the time they are talking it skips to this scene...http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-06-25-13-46-15_zps3518d875.png.html
Banner telling us about the injection and what it does. Then it skips back to the fight. Lol...why did the writer do this? Why did he even include that piece of information in a comic where the universe is about to be destroyed. Why have Banner talk about a serum that he is about to take and explaining what it does and then skip right back to the Avengers and the JLA lol? That scene didn't have ANYTHING to do with the circumstances at hand. Unless he wanted to advise us of a something that was going on during that fight. Why did he showcase Hulk eyes going green. That's not something new to us. THINK!!!
For the few people continuing to root for anyone who looks like Superman, have you actually read this post? This is 100% accurate. This is not a debate. The writer is showing you why Hulk couldn't reach the upper levels he would have needed to defeat Sungod.
Carvers' interpretation means that he was green, then went into battle gray.
The colourist did a proper job on him, but messed everyone else up.
My interpretation is this:
Banner made a serum based on the alternate Hulk. If he ever needed to, he could stop the transformation into Hulk, and stay Banner.
However, in the fight with the Great Society, the monster was needed. So he can turn into the Hulk at will, when a battle is imminent.
He fought under an amber/red sun, but as the fight went on, the stronger he got. To the point his eyes were beginning to pour out green light of their own.
Then lost.
The only thing carver hates is that he lost. And so, he wants us to believe that the colorist doesn't know how light works, doesn't know what colours he's meant to use, but remembers that detail of the hulk being gray.
And that Banner in a fight will throttle himself into gray hulk.
Even though we have never seen such an instance happen since.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. Dear.Lies being spread by Carver I see.
Also, stoic, you have to take the entire sentence into account, and not just parts of it.
The full sentence reads that the serum allows him to control when he becomes Hulk....so he can throttle back if he becomes green with rage.
When they arrived on the planet, he was green (under Strange's light).
When they fought, he was then under the different light, and looked gray.
However, the more he fought, the angrier he got. To the point his eyes were spitting energy, like when he becomes WBH.
Sun God fought a Hulk who was nearly WBH levels. And beat him.
I think that it could be up to interpretation, but i don't believe that the Hulk was on or even close to being on the level of the World Breaker. Doom performed an operation on the Hulk to make certain that something like that could not happen again. This is something that can not be refuted. This is also not the only time that the Hulk's eyes have emitted a glow. This has actually happened under the pen of several artists and writers.
However, the serum was directly linked to this particular arc. The Hulk was gimped. It says that he would throttle back if he got out of control, and that would indicate that these effects would occur when he was raging. When he was fighting Sun God, he was raging. Hank even asks why mess with it if it works. Context supports that if the Hulk's levels of power were to spike, that he would in fact throttle back. What does this mean exactly? To me it means that he would regress in power. Sun God has no feats to even suggest that he could survive for a second against what we saw during the Dark Dimension. If so, the Hulk's blows would have been blowing up continental sized portions of real estate.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carvers' interpretation means that he was green, then went into battle gray.The colourist did a proper job on him, but messed everyone else up.
My interpretation is this:
Banner made a serum based on the alternate Hulk. If he ever needed to, he could stop the transformation into Hulk, and stay Banner.
However, in the fight with the Great Society, the monster was needed. So he can turn into the Hulk at will, when a battle is imminent.
He fought under an amber/red sun, but as the fight went on, the stronger he got. To the point his eyes were beginning to pour out green light of their own.
Then lost.
The only thing carver hates is that he lost. And so, he wants us to believe that the colorist doesn't know how light works, doesn't know what colours he's meant to use, but remembers that detail of the hulk being gray.
And that Banner in a fight will throttle himself into gray hulk.
Even though we have never seen such an instance happen since.
Then you are flat out ignoring the explanation of the serum given in the comic. If you are really sticking with your imaginary explanation, you are essentially conceding. And all this for a fake Superman?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Then you are flat out ignoring the explanation of the serum given in the comic. If you are really sticking with your imaginary explanation, you are essentially conceding. And all this for a fake Superman?
What am I ignoring??????
He developed the serum to control when he Hulked out.
To throttle back when he was Hulk, to become Banner again.
Everyone else is ignoring the first part of his sentence
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. Dear.Lies being spread by Carver I see.
Also, stoic, you have to take the entire sentence into account, and not just parts of it.
The full sentence reads that the serum allows him to control when he becomes Hulk....so he can throttle back if he becomes green with rage.
When they arrived on the planet, he was green (under Strange's light).
When they fought, he was then under the different light, and looked gray.
However, the more he fought, the angrier he got. To the point his eyes were spitting energy, like when he becomes WBH.
Sun God fought a Hulk who was nearly WBH levels. And beat him.
Read what the serum does again.
