Originally posted by carthage
None of what you said is logical though. You have no feats that back up anything for Kaseyeama as "being a great duelist", you've got no examples of Bane beating anyone out of his own skill, and you keep repeating the same stuff because you can't provide any of the requisite proof. I welcome being on your ignore list, it just proves you are not a good debater and are a fanboy like the rest of the EU crowd here.Also lol @ me being biased for asking for simple feats.
Hell even when you tried to help Newguy1 in a debate, he pointed out that you are unreasonable, and he's not even an EU fanboy.
I'm done with you, you are a prick, goodbye.
Feats >"cannon" quotes that are meaningless without feats to back them up
Your getting mad over a simple request for basic feats/fights that occur off nexus to provide an adequate summary of your characters power. You failed to provide them, so you lose. Kind of funny your complaining to me about being "Reasonable", when you have an odd fixation on your character to the point of fanaticism.
Originally posted by carthage
Feats >"cannon" quotes that are meaningless without feats to back them up
Originally posted by carthage
Your getting mad over a simple request for basic feats/fights that occur off nexus to provide an adequate summary of your characters power. You failed to provide them, so you lose.
Originally posted by carthage
Kind of funny your complaining to me about being "Reasonable", when you have an odd fixation on your character to the point of fanaticism.
Like I said if Kasayeama had feats that put him above Raskta and or any other character off nexus, then we simply wouldn't be having this discussion. Neph willingly disavows uperior feats in favor of his arguments for TOR characters all the time, I never see you calling him out. With regards to quotes I have never denied Bane was powerful, Vitiate was powerful, or Revan was they're simply not as strong as other Sith due to lack of showings off nexus and or other factors that render analysis difficult. I've even got Bane as superior to both those characters in question, but again that's due to what Bane has accomplished off nexus.
Your obsession with randomly bringing up Bane/Zannah/Vitiate/Revan just to pointlessly shit on them certainly counts as an odd fixation.
Only because its fun to watch the fanboys so fervently defend their characters.
Originally posted by carthage
Orbalisk Bane isn't strong because of his own skill, its the amp and the invulnerability that made Bane strong. Bane on his own sucks really badly in DOE.
I don't recall saying it WASN'T because of the armor. Changes nothing about what I said about him. I do remember Bane didn't suck very badly at all in POD.
Originally posted by carthage
Like I said if Kasayeama had feats that put him above Raskta and or any other character off nexus, then we simply wouldn't be having this discussion. Neph willingly disavows uperior feats in favor of his arguments for TOR characters all the time, I never see you calling him out.
More importantly, and I can't stress how key this is... Neph is not a dick. Neph is a civil debater, while you do a lot of shit for the sole purpose of pissing people off.
Originally posted by carthage
With regards to quotes I have never denied Bane was powerful, Vitiate was powerful, or Revan was they're simply not as strong as other Sith due to lack of showings off nexus and or other factors that render analysis difficult. I've even got Bane as superior to both those characters in question, but again that's due to what Bane has accomplished off nexus.
Originally posted by carthage
[B]No he didn't he was incompetent and sucked badly enough to lose when:
How do you figure he lost? sabers only. He kicked Bane's ass with sabers. incompetent? sucked badly? what? That isn't a very defensible position.
1. He had superior training, was more, skilled, and had trained with Bane and knew all of his sequences.
Really, everything about this one could be said about Bane instead. Bane was trained by Ka'sim, perhaps the greatest swordsman the galaxy had ever seen. Who was Ka'sim trained by? Sounds like Bane had superior training.
2.Had the trump card of knowing Jar kai
I mean, he knew Jar Kai, it's not really an unfair advantage, it's an advantage. I don't see how this means "he sucked"
3.Was drawing on a nexus just as much as Bane was for his speed.
Has nothing to do with anything. Clearly not an advantage for either side. You were the one who claimed Bane was at a disadvantage.
How do you figure he lost? sabers only. He kicked Bane's ass with sabers. incompetent? sucked badly? what? That isn't a very defensible position.
For all of his supposed skill, faster striking speed, the fact he trained him and knew his sequences, and the fact he held back Jar kai and didn't kill him as fast as he should've proves he's not very good. I mean he was essentially losing to a trainee, that and for all of those positives in his favor he can't close a victory?! Give me a break, and this is Bane whose been training for a few months max who has no other saber feats to compare to a "master duelist". There is a huge discrepancy between being a "master duelist", and struggling with a trainee.
Really, everything about this one could be said about Bane instead. Bane was trained by Ka'sim, perhaps the greatest swordsman the galaxy had ever seen. Who was Ka'sim trained by? Sounds like Bane had superior training.
It cannot be emphasized enough Bane has no basis for that claim. Bane had been trained for a few months, didn't know any other duelists in any other camp, or even know much about saber combat as he'd later learn. Raskta in contrast literally would've killed Bane before he even got to her-Kasayeama with a nexus benefiting his speed failed to take POD Bane out. Raskta fought a much more difficult battle, and made Bane look like a ***** who needed armor to protect him
I mean, he knew Jar Kai, it's not really an unfair advantage, it's an advantage. I don't see how this means "he sucked"
It was an advantage because Bane didn't know how to counteract it, and even then with it Kaseayeama still failed to close in and kill Bane. He isn't skilled enough evidently to defeat his trainee who he knows virtually everything about in terms of saber style. Need I repeat that to let it sink in?
Has nothing to do with anything. Clearly not an advantage for either side. You were the one who claimed Bane was at a disadvantage.
It has everything to do with it considering Bane has no showings off nexus to prove he was as powerful as his feats suggest when he's wearing Orbalisks or on Lehon or Korriban to boost his force abilities. Kaseeema can hurl 20 strikes per second, Bane can react to it and move in a blur, but can barely deflect raindrops in DOE? Bane was relying on it as was Kasayeem, Kasayeem just couldn't kill Bane because he was incompetent for the many reasons I listed. Bane only looked good because he had a nexus to kill Kasyeeem with
Originally posted by carthage
Bane can react to it and move in a blur, but can barely deflect raindrops in DOE?
Wait. Wait. Wait. Did you just refer to the greatest lightsaber feat in the mythos like it was a NEGATIVE thing? A poor showing? Really? I'm sorry, I was thinking up a response to your other post while I was reading it, but I got really distracted by the way you used this feat in a sentence. What did you actually mean by this?
Originally posted by truejedi
Wait. Wait. Wait. Did you just refer to the greatest lightsaber feat in the mythos like it was a NEGATIVE thing? A poor showing? Really? I'm sorry, I was thinking up a response to your other post while I was reading it, but I got really distracted by the way you used this feat in a sentence. What did you actually mean by this?
Its his best showing which is relatively commonplace among other Sith. It isn't that impressive considering rain is slower moving than blaster bolts, and or feats from other Sith in general surpass it. I'm not sure why its lauded so much. Also lol @ it being the greatest lightsaber feat. Anakin moved his saber so fast on the invisible hand it blinded Dooku with blue light, there are tons of other examples I can use to make Bane's rain feat look weak in comparison
RN did a statistical analysis once of the number of cubic feet a light-saber would have to cover per second in order to keep a single raindrop from touching a human sized shape in an average rainstorm. It was as insane a number as Karen Traviss's number of stormtroopers. There is nothing else in the mythos that comes close. "Invisible fast" IS repeated over and over, it's true, but invisible fast wouldn't even begin to cover the speed necessary for what he was doing.
Originally posted by truejedi
RN did a statistical analysis once of the number of cubic feet a light-saber would have to cover per second in order to keep a single raindrop from touching a human sized shape in an average rainstorm. It was as insane a number as Karen Traviss's number of stormtroopers. There is nothing else in the mythos that comes close. "Invisible fast" IS repeated over and over, it's true, but invisible fast wouldn't even begin to cover the speed necessary for what he was doing.