Originally posted by Newjak
I once again think you are missing the key difference between durability and regen.Regen is someone sustaining the injury then healing it.
Durability is preventing the injury from happening.
Kirk wasn't able to injure Khan enough for him to regenerate any serious injury.
In fact the only time we see Khan sustain any real injury was when Spock broke his arm and he did not instant regen from that, along with the braining Spock gave him the metal object.
If he really did have any sort of real battle capable regen abilities he would have healed from those wounds and got away.
Recovering that fast from broken bones is too much for his healing factor. He could take punches and bruises and recover from those as a fight goes on, but a bone break would take ( my guess) several minutes to an hour. He ain't quite Wolverine.
Originally posted by quanchi112I love that you are acting all smug in this thread considering you've probably been done the most harm to Khan in the entire thread(Probably the forums).
There is no point. You can't contest Khan wins either way. Khan wins.This feels amazing being uncontested here.
In a fight that most people believed that Khan would win handily you still had to go the extra mile in making people dislike you and Khan.
The truth is most people here know Khan is faster, most likely more skilled in H2H combat, and much smarter than the Mountain.
The only thing people have said they are equal in is in Strength. Some are still willing to give Khan the nod in that department.
So in what amounts to a moot point in this thread for most has become an almost Crusade for you. One that you are doing a bad job at defending.
You have tried to imply that the Mountain's Gauntlets have aided him, despite total lack of evidence for the claim. You have tried to compare them to brass knuckles which only help in punching not crushing. You derailed the thread for 2 pages trying to use a towel as evidence. Which still doesn't compare. At best under the towel analogy they would only serve to help the Mountain grip the Viper's head while HIS strength did the actual work.
Not only that you grossly misrepresented a feat for Khan by saying he caused the Admiral's head to explode despite that not being the case. So either you lied and tried to lead people into believing your lie which makes you untrustworthy as a source of information. Or you completely forgot a feat and decided to pretend you knew what happened once again making you unreliable as a reference.
Once again all of this over the fact that the Mountain and Khan maybe equals in strength. You decided to turn yourself into a laughing stock over something that didn't even matter. Since you are laughing stock and troll I will put you on ignore and I suggest everyone else do the same.
Now I know you'll play this off as somehow being a win for you, I know that trolling a forum is how you get your jollys. Ultimately though despite whatever you say I will go on leaving my normal life which I quite enjoy. You will still be the same jerk and probably insecure person who needs the faceless power of the Internet to make you feel strong. I hope you can finally grow up and become productive at something either here or in the real world Good bye Quan it's been silly.
Originally posted by NewjakYour rants are off topic and hilarious. When did I ever say he caused the Admiral's head to explode ? You're a liar. He crushed his skull. Khan is far stronger based on all his strength feats. He was genetically created to be far superior to man unlike the Mountain who also lacks feats.
I love that you are acting all smug in this thread considering you've probably been done the most harm to Khan in the entire thread(Probably the forums).In a fight that most people believed that Khan would win handily you still had to go the extra mile in making people dislike you and Khan.
The truth is most people here know Khan is faster, most likely more skilled in H2H combat, and much smarter than the Mountain.
The only thing people have said they are equal in is in Strength. Some are still willing to give Khan the nod in that department.
So in what amounts to a moot point in this thread for most has become an almost Crusade for you. One that you are doing a bad job at defending.
You have tried to imply that the Mountain's Gauntlets have aided him, despite total lack of evidence for the claim. You have tried to compare them to brass knuckles which only help in punching not crushing. You derailed the thread for 2 pages trying to use a towel as evidence. Which still doesn't compare. At best under the towel analogy they would only serve to help the Mountain grip the Viper's head while HIS strength did the actual work.
Not only that you grossly misrepresented a feat for Khan by saying he caused the Admiral's head to explode despite that not being the case. So either you lied and tried to lead people into believing your lie which makes you untrustworthy as a source of information. Or you completely forgot a feat and decided to pretend you knew what happened once again making you unreliable as a reference.
Once again all of this over the fact that the Mountain and Khan maybe equals in strength. You decided to turn yourself into a laughing stock over something that didn't even matter. Since you are laughing stock and troll I will put you on ignore and I suggest everyone else do the same.
Now I know you'll play this off as somehow being a win for you, I know that trolling a forum is how you get your jollys. Ultimately though despite whatever you say I will go on leaving my normal life which I quite enjoy. You will still be the same jerk and probably insecure person who needs the faceless power of the Internet to make you feel strong. I hope you can finally grow up and become productive at something either here or in the real world Good bye Quan it's been silly.
Brass knuckles do aid in punching power just like the gauntlets aid in crushing a mans skull. Khan did so with his bare hands.
People disliking Khan has to do with their insecurities and being emotional over something that is supposed to be done in good fun. You admit you are upset. I wish you the best. I feel bad when people's feelings get hurt over fictional matchups. I say if you can't take the heat log off the forums. I wish you the best on your emotional journey to happiness.
All in all good riddance to you. You're emotionally compromised.
Khan wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your rants are off topic and hilarious. When did I ever say he caused the Admiral's head to explode ? You're a liar. He crushed his skull. Khan is far stronger based on all his strength feats. He was genetically created to be far superior to man unlike the Mountain who also lacks feats.Brass knuckles do aid in punching power just like the gauntlets aid in crushing a mans skull. Khan did so with his bare hands.
People disliking Khan has to do with their insecurities and being emotional over something that is supposed to be done in good fun. You admit you are upset. I wish you the best. I feel bad when people's feelings get hurt over fictional matchups. I say if you can't take the heat log off the forums. I wish you the best on your emotional journey to happiness.
All in all good riddance to you. You're emotionally compromised.
Khan wins.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
They are but he didn't die. Khan didn't have to play possum due to pathetic skill like Gregor did.
He didn't have to "play possum", because - aside from Spock in their final confrontation - nobody did ever attempt to kill him in melee combat. And even in that final scene, Spock didn't bring a spear or any other kind of melee weapon to do the job or inflict some real damage on Khan. He was using his fists and some Vulcan nerve punches and that's it. The Mountain simply tanked more damage and went on fighting. Fact.
The size of Oberyn definitely had a aiding factor to do with it. Acting like Gregor can pop someone's head close to his size without proof is well baseless. A super heavyweight versus a featherweight. Size matters, kiddo. Ask anyone who boxes or fights. You're very ignorant.
Size matters? Really Quanchimon? You do realize, that the Mountain is a freaking giant that easily dwarves normal humans, while Khan, when it comes to size, is just a regular human being? Just asking.
And do have people with a greater height also possess a higher skull density now? My, my. You must be pretty huge, given your ferrous cranus.
He weakened him to achieve the feat so he couldn't fight back. He is too busy feeling immense pain due to his eyes being gouged out to try to fight back. The Mountain was due to Oberyn pulling his weapon out and being overconfident. The HBO executive producer admitted it. Khan did so due to no luck or opening or weakening. He just came at him and crushed his skull.
So, actually, your "arguments" can get even more ridiculous. I didn't think, that this was even possible. Did Khan see any defense coming up doing his "skull crushing" action against the Admiral? Didn't see any. Stop talking down feats.
So we have Khan crushing his skull and hear a crushing sound and you say it could be anything. I can't help it you're too slow to catch on to what is going on in the scene. A horrible, cowardly debater such as yourself can live on in your own fantasy world for all I care. Its hilarious and says a lot about you.
We don't have Khan crushing his skull. We have Khan gripping his skull with some sound following up and something happening off-screen. So now, you better come up with proof that he crushed the Admirals skull in the same fashion that Clegane did to the Viper, instead of causing otherwise fatal damage to it. I'm waiting.
I mean, hey, of course Khan did crush his skull, but we don't really see how he did it and how the result looked. From what we do see, however, he applies pressure to the areal behind the ears and the top of the skull - where lie the weak-spots, while Clegane did push the face / temple into the skull, which would require a greater force.
And thanks for ignoring the fact, that Khan is apparently inable to do any real damage to Kirk with his superhuman strength punches, where Clegane's lead to teeth being spit...
None of that has to do with her out punching him. Yes, she also showed superiority in terms of skill but flat out beat him down despite his weight advantage. Awful showing and he even admitted laughable he was killed by a woman. His strength is less than Brienne's when put to the test.
I find your misogynistic antics rather amusing - on a psychatric level, that is. That being said: Brienne is damn strong and excellent in hand to hand combat (which is demonstrated and mentioned often enough through the span of the series), so please stop your attempts to talk her and - by extend - the Hound down.
1:57-2:07: We see how formidable Khan is in close quarters combat via his superhuman hand to hand combat skill.2:08: Look at the distance the kick drives the man backwards. The kick also seems to put the man down.
We see how Khan, the superhuman being, manages to punch out regular human beings. Where is the point? Black Widow has done more impressive stuff in hand to hand combat...
And wow. He kicks that one man. Did you actually watch the fight between The Mountain and the Red Viper? Clegane kicks and throws Martell through half of the arena with apparent ease - while wearing that nice metal armor, that would hinder / slow down his movements.
That is one example. He kicks Spock back a considerable distance and roundhouses/one shots a Klingon.
And?
Do I need to post more evidence to expose your sheer and utter ignorance. Khan doesn't need armor to protect himself unlike the weaker, and slower Gregor.
Evidence to put Khan over Clegane in terms of strength and fighting skill would be nice. And armor? Yeah. Ser Gregor totally gives a damn about armor:
Let's battlezone this. You have piqued my interest here. Khan vs. the Mountain in hand to hand. I'll post a lot of evidence in fine detail to expose your awful stance and piss poor debating.
Since you, apparently, fail to realize the following fact, I will just attempt to get it to you again: There is nothing in for me, if I would "battlezone this" with you. Neither do I define my ego over this forum, nor do I really care about most things happening here. And it certainly won't be any kind of intellectual challenge involved, seeing that you would be the only opposition. So where is the point, Quanchi?
Ps. You don't even have a grasp on the characters you debate about. This post is further evidence of your incompetence in debating.Pss. A lot better than you am I.
My, my.
Given that I did actually read the five books that "Game of Thrones" is based on, I suppose I have a greater grasp on the characters involved than you do. Not that this is worth much, considering your gross missrepresentation of characters and missinterpretation of feats.
But let me break this fight down for you.
To win a hand to hand fight agains the Mountain, Khan would have to close in on the guy, who - given his greater height, is having the reach advantage in this little scenario. Given that Khan is apparently incapable of k.o.'ing Kirk with his punches, it is pretty much out of the question, that he could do something like this to the Mountain. So he needs to "wrestle" that giant down. The same "thing" that is capable of immobilizing, stunning and killing Oberyn Martell, after having received at least two mortal woundings and having suffered through enough physical pain to take down pretty much every normal human being.
If Khan had a chance of winning, it would be by speed or intelligence. But then: The Red Viper wasn't exactly slow. So maybe speed is just as well out of the equation. Leaves intelligence. But since this is happening in a regular arena (if I got the start posting right), I don't see how Khan would capitalize on this. So we are back at the question who can deal out more damage and take more damage. And if we go by visual evidence alone, the Mountain is ahead of Khan in both departments.
P.S.: I think, that the RHCP song "Under the bridge" would be a most fitting national anthem for Quanchiland.
P.P.S.: It is "post post scriptum" (PPS) and not "post scriptum scriptum" (PSS). Noob.
Originally posted by NemeBroI already posted evidence you haven't. What's worse you haven't seen Into Darkness. Khan wins.
I know, because you can't prove it.Glad you finally conceded the point. 👆
Oh goodey. Nai responded with more ignorance. I'm going to get surgical up in here since he's cowardly like tard.