Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Just go to my Revan Respect Thread and scroll down to the "Tactical Ingenious" section. Revan was responsible mainly for his tactics during the war.
This is supported by TCWSE which states while some credit Revan's military genius for the victory, others point out Malak's skill on the forefront of every battlefield.
Seemingly, he only ever went into combat with the Echani and Mandalore himself. Malak is not stated to have been with him on either of these encounters.
Though however, he was confirmed to kill many Mandalorian war-droids, though it is not confirmed Malak was with him on these battles either.
It is rather silly to think the best two Jedi of the era to always be in the same battle together when countless other battles are occurring.
I have read your respect thread already. I really appreciate it because Revan is one of my favorite characters.
The clone wars are much more explored than the Mandalorian wars. Revan did not start off leading the republic in the Mandalorian war. Of course they did not fight side by side always during the war neither did Obi and Anakin however I find it silly to assume that Revan and Malak never did at all during the war.
Either way it does change that they know each other and their fighting styles and techniques better than anyone else on team two.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
As soon as the Jedi joined, they were thrown to the forefront of command. That's pretty much how the Republic handles every crisis.
If you want to assume that Revan never fought on the battle ground during the mandalorian feel free to do so.
Still does change the fact that they will most likely team up during this battle unlike anyone on team two.
Originally posted by Kotor3
If you want to assume that Revan never fought on the battle ground during the mandalorian feel free to do so.Still does change the fact that they will most likely team up during this battle unlike anyone on team two.
I don't see Revan teaming up with the man who betrayed and tried to kill him. If Revan teams up with anyone, it would make more sense that hevteams with Satele (his descendant). That being said, Krayt teamed up with Luke Skywalker,a Jedi. If he can effectively work with the sworn enemy of the Sith, then he can do the same with 2 other Dark Lords.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
I don't see Revan teaming up with the man who betrayed and tried to kill him. If Revan teams up with anyone, it would make more sense that hevteams with Satele (his descendant).
Revan is definitely not going to make it a two on four. Betrayed or not Revan is going to look for the best advantage that he can have in the fight.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
That being said, Krayt teamed up with Luke Skywalker,a Jedi. If he can effectively work with the sworn enemy of the Sith, then he can do the same with 2 other Dark Lords.
Perhaps Krayt would but why would Kun or Malgus? If they start losing perhaps they will which may be too late.
Originally posted by Kotor3
If you want to assume that Revan never fought on the battle ground during the mandalorian feel free to do so.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Not a bad point. But why wouldn’t Revan?Revan is definitely not going to make it a two on four. Betrayed or not Revan is going to look for the best advantage that he can have in the fight.
The Revan that led the Republic, alongside Malak, in the Mandalorian Wars died when the Leviathan's guns fired on his ship. Now, I agree that Revan wouldn't make it a 4 on 2, but if they were to team, I don't think they'd have the same chemistry that they had before.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Perhaps Krayt would but why would Kun or Malgus? If they start losing perhaps they will which may be too late.
They have no reason not to trust each other, for the duration of the fight. All 3 of them are Sith Lords, all 3 will realize the threat their opponents pose, and Krayt will recognize the need for some form of cohesion on their side. I see Krayt defeating Satele, Malgus defeating Malak, and Kun either defeating Revan or holding him off until one of the others is available to assist.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I didn't say that. However, as more sources say that Revan fought more with his mind than with his saber, it's a much safer assumption to say that he did more of the former than the latter.
It seem that you were implying the same as Ant that they never fought beside each other ever.
I agree with your statement.
Well, tbh, it's doubtful that they fought together a lot either. This is not the Clone Wars were almost every Jedi above a certain rank is general. Many of the Jedi who joined are Padawans, the Exile included. This is mainly Revan, Malak, and Meetra, all of whom are generals in a war that they come in losing. It's doubtful they would be together for the majority of a galactic war. Malak however, always looked to Revan as his idol, and they were best friends. They most likely knew much about each other.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
The Revan that led the Republic, alongside Malak, in the Mandalorian Wars died when the Leviathan's guns fired on his ship. Now, I agree that Revan wouldn't make it a 4 on 2, but if they were to team, I don't think they'd have the same chemistry that they had before.
You have a point. Still you have two people who trained and fought alongside each other. They would still have better chemistry then any two on Team 2. Due to the situation would mostly likely team up.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
They have no reason not to trust each other, for the duration of the fight. All 3 of them are Sith Lords, all 3 will realize the threat their opponents pose, and Krayt will recognize the need for some form of cohesion on their side. I see Krayt defeating Satele, Malgus defeating Malak, and Kun either defeating Revan or holding him off until one of the others is available to assist.
My take is that as the battle started Revan would automatically come to the aid of Satele who would also assist him. Revan would then also do so for Malak who would see the need to coordinate with Revan and Satele.
Krayt, Malgus, and Kun would each go to take on an opponent individually. However, coming to the aid of any of their comrades would only occur if they felt they were in trouble.
This I believe would lead to an advantage for Team 1 who attacks would be more coordinated than Team 2. Team 2 may have more talent but less team play.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Well, tbh, it's doubtful that they fought together a lot either. This is not the Clone Wars were almost every Jedi above a certain rank is general. Many of the Jedi who joined are Padawans, the Exile included. This is mainly Revan, Malak, and Meetra, all of whom are generals in a war that they come in losing. It's doubtful they would be together for the majority of a galactic war. Malak however, always looked to Revan as his idol, and they were best friends. They most likely knew much about each other.
This may be true but it was my understanding that Revan had to gain supporters and really did not take a lead role until he started the Revanchist movement. Which was not immediately. Perhaps I need to read up on the this again.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Good analysis.My take is that as the battle started Revan would automatically come to the aid of Satele who would also assist him. Revan would then also do so for Malak who would see the need to coordinate with Revan and Satele.
Krayt, Malgus, and Kun would each go to take on an opponent individually. However, coming to the aid of any of their comrades would only occur if they felt they were in trouble.
This I believe would lead to an advantage for Team 1 who attacks would be more coordinated than Team 2. Team 2 may have more talent but less team play.
I can see that as a possibility, but remember, Malgus will know who all 3 members of Team 1 are, and Revan, Satele, and Malak should be familiar with Kun's reputation. Satele will remember Malgus, as well. Krayt will be the dark horse in this contest, but it's possible he learned of Revan, Malak, and Kun from Vergere.
I can see Malgus and Krayt teaming up against Revan and Satele, while Kun takes down Malak. I believe Kun would take down Malak first (I see a Krayt/Satele fight as pretty close) and then assist with the familial pair. Alternatively, Kun and Malgus could team up (due to Malgus sensing they are the strongest member on their team) against Revan and Malak, with Krayt taking on Satele. In that scenario, I again think Malak would be the first to fall, leading to Revan's defeat. Even if Satele manages to overcome Krayt, which is possible, I doubt it would happen before Malak falls, leaving Revan outnumbered against two opponents who rival him in both Force power and dueling ability. It would be a good fight, but I'm still siding with Team 2.
Originally posted by Kotor3
This may be true but it was my understanding that Revan had to gain supporters and really did not take a lead role until he started the Revanchist movement. Which was not immediately. Perhaps I need to read up on the this again.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
That being said, Krayt teamed up with Luke Skywalker,a Jedi. If he can effectively work with the sworn enemy of the Sith
This is hardly the same situation.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
To be fair though, that was to stop Abeloth, who is perhaps the greatest threat the Galaxy has ever known. Hell, even the Son and Daughter, the most powerful practitioners of the dark side and light side respectively, teamed up to stop Abeloth.This is hardly the same situation.
You're right, it's not the same situation, but it still shows that Krayt would be open to teaming up, especially against a perceived greater threat. I'm not saying they would definately team up, because I don't think Revan would team up with Malak.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
I can see that as a possibility, but remember, Malgus will know who all 3 members of Team 1 are, and Revan, Satele, and Malak should be familiar with Kun's reputation. Satele will remember Malgus, as well. Krayt will be the dark horse in this contest, but it's possible he learned of Revan, Malak, and Kun from Vergere.I can see Malgus and Krayt teaming up against Revan and Satele, while Kun takes down Malak. I believe Kun would take down Malak first (I see a Krayt/Satele fight as pretty close) and then assist with the familial pair. Alternatively, Kun and Malgus could team up (due to Malgus sensing they are the strongest member on their team) against Revan and Malak, with Krayt taking on Satele. In that scenario, I again think Malak would be the first to fall, leading to Revan's defeat. Even if Satele manages to overcome Krayt, which is possible, I doubt it would happen before Malak falls, leaving Revan outnumbered against two opponents who rival him in both Force power and dueling ability. It would be a good fight, but I'm still siding with Team 2.
I would have to agree with your scenarios if they were to occur.
Like you stated above due to the knowledge the combatants have of each other I see it more of playing out this way:
Revan would take on Kun since he would view him as the highest threat. Satele would take on Malgus since she has prior knowledge of fighting him. This would leave Malak to face Krayt.
Malgus would want to fight Revan since that would be an honor to do so and would probably try to engage him one on one. However, Revan is not going to allow Satele to engage Kun one on one.
The key to this battle is whether team 2 can keep the battle to a one on one. If not and Team 1 starts including teamwork then I believe the fight would lean more towards Team 1.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I would have to agree with your scenarios if they were to occur.Like you stated above due to the knowledge the combatants have of each other I see it more of playing out this way:
Revan would take on Kun since he would view him as the highest threat. Satele would take on Malgus since she has prior knowledge of fighting him. This would leave Malak to face Krayt.Malgus would want to fight Revan since that would be an honor to do so and would probably try to engage him one on one. However, Revan is not going to allow Satele to engage Kun one on one.
The key to this battle is whether team 2 can keep the battle to a one on one. If not and Team 1 starts including teamwork then I believe the fight would lean more towards Team 1.
So Revan/Satele vs Kun/Malgus, with Krayt left to take on Malak? Now that would be an interesting scenario. Definately more even, but I see Satele as the weak link in that team-up. There are 2 possibilities to that set up, that I can see:
1) Satele falls first or Krayt defeats Malak: this would make it a 3v2 fight, where either Kun or Malgus could break off and assist Krayt, while the other engages Revan. If Krayt defeated Malak, then he could jump in and pressure Satele, leading to her death. Then all 3 would gang up on Revan. Team 2 wins
2) Malak manages to defeat Krayt before Satele falls: Malak rejoins the bigger brawl and his addition turns the tide in Team 1's favor. Team 1 wins.