Darth Caedus Vs Darth Sidious (DE)

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Board Walker Senior Member

Darth Caedus Vs Darth Sidious (DE)

1. Sabers
2. Force
3. Everything

The battle takes place aboard the bridge of the Jacen Solo flagship.

Both fighters have fully healthy bodies, all limbs in tact, and are focused on killing the other person.

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Palpatine takes all three. Might have a few issues in sabers, but its nothing he can't handle.

Nalaniel Senior Member

Sidious.

Arhael Devoid of reality

Caedus, ha!

Nalaniel Senior Member
Originally posted by Arhael
Caedus, ha!

Why do you think so?

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Sidious in all three.

Q99 Senior Member

Caedus can put up a good fight, but he'd need a lot of luck to actually win, IMO.

Sinious Yo Da Best
Originally posted by Q99
Caedus can put up a good fight, but he'd need a lot of luck to actually win, IMO.
Arhael Devoid of reality
Originally posted by Nalaniel
Why do you think so?

1. Caedus badly crippled and battered far more skilled Luke, while Sidious lost plain and square to DE Luke.

2. I haven't seen Sidious doing with Force anything Caedus can't, except Force storm and essence transfer, which are not relevant. However, I've seen Caedus utilize powers in combat that Sidious never showed. It is impossible to determine which one is more powerful. I side with Caedus due to his Chosen One heritage.

3. I find Caedus more cunning and versatile combatant in general, the way he utilizes surroundings and takes advantage of arcane Force techniques. The way he can embrace pain and get stronger from it. When Sidious got his arm chopped off, he started wining. When Caedus got his hand chopped off, next instant he took down Jaina with lightning.

Nalaniel Senior Member
Originally posted by Arhael
1. Caedus badly crippled and battered far more skilled Luke, while Sidious lost plain and square to DE Luke.

Luke was holding back, because he didn't want to kill him. He could have killed him.

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Originally posted by Nalaniel
Luke was holding back, because he didn't want to kill him.

I wouldn't say that. But Luke was certainly emotionally compromised at that point.

NewGuy01 perpetual
However, I've seen Caedus utilize powers in combat that Sidious never showed.

Like what?

truejedi Senior Member

I think caedus might win with sabers.

Kalen Sykes Senior Member

Sidious wins all 3, but I think Caedus would have a better chance with the Force, than with sabers.

Arhael Devoid of reality

Originally posted by Nalaniel
Luke was holding back, because he didn't want to kill him. He could have killed him.

"Luke blocked and spun inside, landing an elbow smash to the temple that dropped Jacen to his knees. He brought his own knee up under Jacen's chin, hearing teeth crack-and relishing it. He parried a weak slash at his thighs, then drew his blade up diagonally where his nephew's chest should have been"

"Luke landed a snap-kick to the stomach that lifted Jacen a meter off the deck, then followed it with a slash to the neck- "

You are correct because Caedus was totally survive being dissected in half or beheaded...

I wouldn't say that. But Luke was certainly emotionally compromised at that point.

Define emotionally compromised? Luke was angry but he had no doubts. Just looking at the quotes above it is clear that Luke was much more lethal and effective than he normally is. I challenge you to find a single example, where Luke would make such deadly, lethal and effective combat combinations. I doubt that anyone but Caedus could overcome such blows and give his own in return.

Like what?

Like using Force on opponent's vertebrae to paralyze him. Like using Force illusions. Like blocking lightsaber attacks with Force shield. Like Shatterpoint. Like getting empowered by pain, I am sure Palpatine is capable of it too but he doesn't have as impressive feats of it as Caedus. Also, both Luke and Jacen developed an overloading techniques, which allows them to draw heavier on other Force at expense of their cells burning out.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Arhael
1. Caedus badly crippled and battered far more skilled Luke, while Sidious lost plain and square to DE Luke.

Luke was being made stronger by Leia unlocking "potential he didn't even knew he had." Luke didn't beat Sidious of his own volition.

2. I haven't seen Sidious doing with Force anything Caedus can't, except Force storm and essence transfer, which are not relevant. However, I've seen Caedus utilize powers in combat that Sidious never showed. It is impossible to determine which one is more powerful. I side with Caedus due to his Chosen One heritage.

Kol Skywalker. Anyway as to your other points, Palpatine knews all Force powers known currently. Caedus can't do anything that Palpatine can't.

3. I find Caedus more cunning and versatile combatant in general, the way he utilizes surroundings and takes advantage of arcane Force techniques. The way he can embrace pain and get stronger from it. When Sidious got his arm chopped off, he started wining. When Caedus got his hand chopped off, next instant he took down Jaina with lightning.

Jaina is nowhere near as powerful as Luke, especially not an amped Luke. Comparing Sidious' inability to overwhelm him to shocking his sister, who he dies from, is kind of pointless. I've never seen anything that shows Caedus is more cunning than Sidious. And the ability to use pain doesn't matter when you're already dead.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Luke was fighting recklessly in that fight. Caedus hurting him has more to do with that then any supposed parity between the two.

Arhael Devoid of reality

Luke was being made stronger by Leia unlocking "potential he didn't even knew he had." Luke didn't beat Sidious of his own volition.

He did. Audio novel confirms that Leia was mere observant during their saber duel, so no. All she did is help him to be in the right mind set.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Luke was fighting recklessly in that fight. Caedus hurting him has more to do with that then any supposed parity between the two.

If only you could prove it anyhow. None of the quotes depict Luke making any reckless mistakes. Luke performs better, when angry, as demonstrated against Vader and Lumiya.

Regardless, in Unifying Force Jacen faced Slayers like Luke and his performance wasn't far behind. He improved since and his fight against Luke is a good demonstration of that.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Arhael
He did. Audio novel confirms that Leia was mere observant during their saber duel, so no. All she did is help him to be in the right mind set.

That's still an amp, or are you trying to entertain Desaan>Sidious? Or are you saying that Luke needed help to stay in that state of mind, i.e. an amp.

Arhael Devoid of reality

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's still an amp, or are you trying to entertain Desaan>Sidious? Or are you saying that Luke needed help to stay in that state of mind, i.e. an amp.

That's not an amp. Luke had conflicted emotions until Leia helped him to return to lightside and be in right mindset to fight at his best.

In versus thread we assume that character will fight at his best, which is what Luke did, when he fought Sidious. That's for you to prove that Luke wasn't as good fighter against Caedus, than he was against Sidious. Or are you suggesting that Luke with almost 30 years more experience is not as good as DE Luke?