Darth Caedus Vs Darth Sidious (DE)

Originally posted by Arhael
That's not an amp. Luke had conflicted emotions until Leia helped him to return to lightside and be in right mindset to fight at his best.

In versus thread we assume that character will fight at his best, which is what Luke did, when he fought Sidious. That's for you to prove that Luke wasn't as good fighter against Caedus, than he was against Sidious. Or are you suggesting that Luke with almost 30 years more experience is not as good as DE Luke?

In a versus thread, when it's actually about them, sure, expect the best, but that's not what happened when Luke fought Caedus. He himself states about how unbalanced his emotions were, and about how close he and Ben had come to the Dark Side. How is that not imbalanced?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
In a versus thread, when it's actually about them, sure, expect the best, but that's not what happened when Luke fought Caedus. He himself states about how unbalanced his emotions were, and about how close he and Ben had come to the Dark Side. How is that not imbalanced?

Fact remains that Caedus fought far more experienced and versatile Luke and battered him badly, while Sidious did not leave a scratch. Your assumptions about Luke being amped in one instance or hampered in another remain as such.

Even if Luke said that his emotions were unbalanced. How does it prove that performance was hampered? It's not a first time Luke came close to the darkside. He did the same against Vader and Lumiya and guess what, it granted him better performance.

Originally posted by Arhael
So... can you prove Luke wasn't fighting his best against Caedus or that he wasn't as effective as he was against Sidious?

Fact remains that Caedus fought far more experienced and versatile Luke and battered him badly, while Sidious did not leave a scratch. Your assumptions about Luke being amped in one instance or hampered in another remain as such.

Even if Luke said that his emotions were unbalanced. How does it prove that performance was hampered? It's not a first time Luke came close to the darkside. He did the same against Vader and Lumiya and guess what, it granted him better performance.

Vader was not trying to kill Luke in either encounter, and Caedus is stronger than both him and Lumiya. While anger does give a temporary boost to strength, it also leaves one open up to fatal mistakes, especially when they do not normally fight as such and their power does not come from it. Luke becoming sloppy is why he was hurt, imo. The fact that he is more experienced is the only reason he was able to hurt Caedus as well. Luke has never fought well against anyone on Caedus' level, using anger, while also coming out unscathed.

Originally posted by Arhael
So... can you prove Luke wasn't fighting his best against Caedus or that he wasn't as effective as he was against Sidious?

Fact remains that Caedus fought far more experienced and versatile Luke and battered him badly, while Sidious did not leave a scratch. Your assumptions about Luke being amped in one instance or hampered in another remain as such.

Even if Luke said that his emotions were unbalanced. How does it prove that performance was hampered? It's not a first time Luke came close to the darkside. He did the same against Vader and Lumiya and guess what, it granted him better performance.

Light side Luke refused to fight Vader so naturally darkside Luke did better.

The lumiya example kind of goes again ur point since this was Luke's mindset moments before going to confront lumiya - "but apart from the fact that he was now minus everything good in his heart except Ben, Luke felt like his old self for the first time in years. He felt clarity. He knew what he had to do, and there were no grey areas or ambiguities about who was right and who was wrong. For all his pain the sense of clean focus gave him something to cling to."

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
A more experienced Luke fought a much weaker than Palpatine Adept in Desaan and was caught off guard with TK. During DE, Luke is still well below Palpatine, and knew that he needed help. 😬

Vader was not trying to kill Luke in either encounter, and Caedus is stronger than both him and Lumiya. While anger does give a temporary boost to strength, it also leaves one open up to fatal mistakes, especially when they do not normally fight as such and their power does not come from it. Luke becoming sloppy is why he was hurt, imo. The fact that he is more experienced is the only reason he was able to hurt Caedus as well. Luke has never fought well against anyone on Caedus' level, using anger, while also coming out unscathed.

If as you say Luke was sloppy, there is no indication of that in the text whatsoever. All we get is lethal combos from Luke that Caedus barely survives and counters with his own. Both characters show the best of what they can offer.

Luke is at his most effective when he's calm, level headed, and focussed. Not when he's in a bloodlusted rage watching his son getting tortured. Just on the basis that his focus was split between the fight and his son proves his performance was hampered.

Yes, calmness helps, so does anger. Doubts hamper. Luke had no doubts whatsoever. Clear intent to kill. Clear desire to protect his son - a very powerful emotion I must say.

He was definitely level headed and focused. Slash in the kidney elbow in the temple, knee in the chin, knee in the gut, feign attack followed by Force blast, another elbow in the face. Do you really think not level headed and unfocused character would be able to deliver those combos? Throughout entire fight Luke was shown to be thinking and strategical. He was not portrayed as a mindless beast, you imply he was.

Sidious takes all three in a good/close fight.

Luke defeated DE serious 30 years ago, Caedus came near to stalematin him and or killing him. It seems to me that Caedus would be far superior to DE sidious, it seems DE Sidious is just far outclassed.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Luke defeated DE serious 30 years ago, Caedus came near to stalematin him and or killing him. It seems to me that Caedus would be far superior to DE sidious, it seems DE Sidious is just far outclassed.

I lol'd.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I lol'd.

Sidious...imo.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I lol'd.

Why is it comical, am I missing something?

It just seems that if Luke in his state of power as well as expertise defeated DE Sidiuos 30 years ago, then a luke 30 years later would be far superior to DE sidious.

Upon that same line of logic darth caedus who battered LOTF Luke, would be able to trounce DE sidious.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Why is it comical, am I missing something?

It just seems that if Luke in his state of power as well as expertise defeated DE Sidiuos 30 years ago, then a luke 30 years later would be far superior to DE sidious.

Upon that same line of logic darth caedus who battered LOTF Luke, would be able to trounce DE sidious.

Lumiya told Caedus he was more powerful than Vader had been, but she didn't mention Palpatine. If Caedus had become more powerful than both Vader and Sidious, wouldn't Lumiya have told him?

Well Vader was 80% of Palapatines full power, and if Caedus was 10x more powerful than Vader it would make sense that he eclipsed Sidious.

I also think this is supported by the fact that DE Luke surpassed DE sidious, and LOTF luke was vastly superior to DE Luke. Caedus was on the same level as LOTF Luke, which would put him far ahead of DE Sidious.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Well Vader was 80% of Palapatines full power, and if Caedus was 10x more powerful than Vader it would make sense that he eclipsed Sidious.

Originally posted by Board Walker
I also think this is supported by the fact that DE Luke surpassed DE sidious, and LOTF luke was vastly superior to DE Luke. Caedus was on the same level as LOTF Luke, which would put him far ahead of DE Sidious. [/B]

Originally posted by Board Walker
Well Vader was 80% of Palapatines full power, and if Caedus was 10x more powerful than Vader it would make sense that he eclipsed Sidious.

I also think this is supported by the fact that DE Luke surpassed DE sidious, and LOTF luke was vastly superior to DE Luke. Caedus was on the same level as LOTF Luke, which would put him far ahead of DE Sidious.

Caedus was not on the same level as FOTJ Luke. He may have been more powerful than some of the other Masters ( such as Kyp Durron), but Luke, when level headed, showed just how far the power gap really is, between them. He held Caedus against the wall of his office with just a look. Caedus, meanwhile, was unable to to break free. Caedus is more powerful than Vader, but Luke is still number 1, and it's a considerable gap. Just for my indormation, though, where was it stated Caedus was 10x more powerful than Vader?

Originally posted by Emperordmb

When Luke was in his normal state of mind, he was capable of pinning Caedus to a chair with the force and rendering him immobile.

Originally posted by Arhael
Caedus didn't try to counter it with Force though, so irrelevant. By his own admittance he was caught off guard anyway.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Well Vader was 80% of Palapatines full power, and if Caedus was 10x more powerful than Vader it would make sense that he eclipsed Sidious.

I also think this is supported by the fact that DE Luke surpassed DE sidious, and LOTF luke was vastly superior to DE Luke. Caedus was on the same level as LOTF Luke, which would put him far ahead of DE Sidious.

You really should read more about Darth Sidious.