Who can beat Revan?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Emperor's Wrath's feats are above the Barsen'thor's. While they have a few TK and support feats, the Wrath shows saber feats well above just about anyone in TOR.

This isn't about me underrating Revan, it's about my view that you're underrating the people I mentioned.

Potentially, I think Wrath is superior to most of the force users in TOR era. He will definitely be stronger than Scourge and probably Barsen'thor but just not yet.

He is powerful enough to stand a fair chance against everyone I considered his equal. I'm not underrating any of them. I'm saying they are so powerful that they're Revan's equals.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Feel free to convince me. I for one see defeating Baras as well above defeating the First Son, though you're free to disagree. While defeating the Voss Voice/Entity may not be as impressive as defeating the one/realdeal on DK, it's still well up there. The E'sW is defeating Dark Coucil members well before there prime.

The Barsen'thor has some of the greatest TK feats of anyone. And their feat of defeating Vivicar, an ancient Sith Lord empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters (while she was weakened no less) is an insanely good feat few can top. Also well before her time.

I do think the Wrath is drastically underrated, but I think the Barsen'thor is simply the superior combatant.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes.

Emperor's Wrath - I disagree.

Anakin - Lol. Nope.

Naga Sadow - Based on what?

Darth Marr - Again, he lacks the feats to suggest that.

The Exile - Pfft, nah.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Barsen'thor has some of the greatest TK feats of anyone. And their feat of defeating Vivicar, an ancient Sith Lord empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters (while she was weakened no less) is an insanely good feat few can top. Also well before her time.

I do think the Wrath is drastically underrated, but I think the Barsen'thor is simply the superior combatant.

Emperor's Wrath - I disagree.

Anakin - Lol. Nope.

Naga Sadow - Based on what?

Darth Marr - Again, he lacks the feats to suggest that.

The Exile - Pfft, nah.

Originally posted by Sinious
Potentially, I think Wrath is superior to most of the force users in TOR era. He will definitely be stronger than Scourge and probably Barsen'thor but just not yet.

He is powerful enough to stand a fair chance against everyone I considered his equal. I'm not underrating any of them. I'm saying they are so powerful that they're Revan's equals.

See, the problem with using the Wrath's confrontation with the voice is that presumably Vitiate is also fighting for dominance over his body after Sel Makor takes over. Hardly fully focused.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And I don't. For all of Vivicar's power, I don't see them as superior to the Voice.

I don't think TK gives the edge here.

I haven't seen anything from the Barsen'thor that puts them above anyone here. Marr being the defacto leader of the Empire speaks volumes of his power. Well maybe Sadow, I'll concede there.

The Voice was possessed by Sel-Makor, who lacks a physical body. I doubt it could fight particularly competently. Plus I'd think Vitiate would be helping and weakening Sel Makor a bit.

I think it does. Anakin can be thrown around by Dooku, who is quite a bit weaker in TK than the Barsen'thor is. Plus I think she's just a superior combatant than he is. If he tries to engage in lightsabers she can use a Force Bubble to block him.

And the First Son was Vitiate's de facto second in command. And the Exile? Meetra's performance is hard to ignore here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Voice was possessed by Sel-Makor, who lacks a physical body. I doubt it could fight particularly competently. Plus I'd think Vitiate would be helping and weakening Sel Makor a bit.

I think it does. Anakin can be thrown around by Dooku, who is quite a bit weaker in TK than the Barsen'thor is. Plus I think she's just a superior combatant than he is. If he tries to engage in lightsabers she can use a Force Bubble to block him.

And the First Son was Vitiate's de facto second in command. And the Exile? Meetra's performance is hard to ignore here. [/B]

I been gathering Revan feats now for the last year or two now, and it is now safe to say that I have personally went through every known source he is in.
Despite such, I still do forget details here and there, making my Respect Thread forever expanding. I recommend checking up on the thread every so often.

That being said, based of feats and accolades, Revan is exceedingly difficult to overcome in battle.
His lightsaber prowess is skilled enough to slaughter Sith armies, slay seemingly invincible Mandalores, and overcome Terentatek.
His Force prowess, ultimately, allows him to overcome "extraordinary" warriors with "tremendous" power of his own.
His Battle Precognition and military genius add to his already "immense power", making him seemingly unstoppable.
Very few can defeat him, which is why he is considered among the most powerful Jedi, Sith, and the Star Wars universe itself.

"There weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter."
―Chris Avellone (KOTOR Designer)

As for the Exile, when I say this, I mean the one from KotOR II. Surik is obviously not on Revan level.

The Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan novel then confirms that Revan was "greater then that of anyone else she had ever met, bringing forth the fact Revan is Darth Traya's superior.
There is also the fact that despite Darth Traya being corrupted by Malachor V's energies, Revan's power and will was great enough to resist where so many others failed.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which is why I said it wasn't as impressive as defeating the Voice itself. You may see a Sith drawing on 100s of Jedi Masters as superior, but I think hat fighting a being of the Dark Side who was able to subvert the Emperor is a better one.

Maybe. But as I said, the Barsen'thor was greatly weakened when she fought Vivicar. And this was merely the end of Act I. She likely grew even more powerful after fighting him. So I think her feat is overall superior.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I feel as if you're overestimating the ability of their Force Bubble at blocking every single attack from Anakin, while calli

It's enough for her to block his lightsaber attack and them counter with TK. She was able to shield herself from an explosion that obliterated a blast door, at close range. Her defenses are potent.

Also what was your full sentence?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Dark Council has been the one controlling the Empire for a long time. As for the Exile, when I say this, I mean the one from KotOR II. Surik is obviously not on Revan level.

No, they run the Empire. But Vitiate and his agents actually have control over it. They're just content to leave it up to the Council to make sure the trains go on time while they pursue other plans. But anyway, this is irrelevant. Marr controlled a decimated Dark Council that had many of it's members recently replaced. His control is likely to owe to his seniority and long grasp of power. While I'd agree he's probably extremely powerful, this factor alone doesn't put him above someone as provably incredible as the Barsen'thor.

Even the one from Kotor II isn't on the Barsen'thor's level imo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe. But as I said, the Barsen'thor was greatly weakened when she fought Vivicar. And this was merely the end of Act I. She likely grew even more powerful after fighting him. So I think her feat is overall superior.

It's enough for her to block his lightsaber attack and them counter with TK. She was able to shield herself from an explosion that obliterated a blast door, at close range. Her defenses are potent.

Also what was your full sentence?

No, they run the Empire. But Vitiate and his agents actually have control over it. They're just content to leave it up to the Council to make sure the trains go on time while they pursue other plans. But anyway, this is irrelevant. Marr controlled a decimated Dark Council that had many of it's members recently replaced. His control is likely to owe to his seniority and long grasp of power. While I'd agree he's probably extremely powerful, this factor alone doesn't put him above someone as provably incredible as the Barsen'thor.

Even the one from Kotor II isn't on the Barsen'thor's level imo.

Marr still must have vast amounts of power and influence to control the Council. The Sith, as they always have been, are a society where the weak replace the strong. I also don't consider the Barsen'thor incredible by any stretch. They are powerful, greatly, no question, but they are firmly within the grasp of anyone else shown competent in TOR. The most amazing and powerful things I've seen from them have no combat application.

As for Ant, I never said the Exile would defeat Revan. Not sure why you pulled that quote out.

As for Ant, I never said the Exile would defeat Revan. Not sure why you pulled that quote out.

Might add Emperor's wrath to my list, I lost the video Freshestslice gave me of all of his saber feats though.

Revan can overcome the Wrath.

I think it'd be a good fight. Revan does have more Force feats, but the Wrath has fought some extremely powerful opponents too.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bandon.

Originally posted by carthage
Darth Bane

lol

Throwback to the days people thought the protagonists could beat Revan.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Darth Marr are also all very capable in beating Revan more times than they would lose.

How times change.

Like a million people.

There's debate with the likes of Vader, Ragnos/Sadow, etc. If you disable teleportation, Dooku and Anakin could win under conditional starting distances. I'd say Exar Kun would take a majority. Caedus and Krayt almost certainly win. Plagueis tier + dominate.

Revan would ragdoll Dooku, massacre Kun, and stalemate Plagueis.