Darth Zannah vs. Revan Reborn

1. So? The whole point is to tire out the opponent then switch to offense. Theres nothing else she needs to do while doing this. Although RoT does suggest she can counter-attack quickly while doing this.

2. Zannah states that she can keep it up almost endlessly. She trained largely on increasing her stamina and wrist strength to be able to keep it up as long as possible and outlast opponents. Her style expends far less effort than her opponent does attacking it.

Zannah's Force reserves > Revan's.

Revan can call upon both sides of the Force in reserve, Zannah cannot. In fact, Revan's Force reserve is logically a direct rival of Vitiate's Force reserve, based on their mental war.
Meanwhile, Revan's endurance/stamina is enough to kill hundreds of Dark Jedi on the Star Forge, beat Bastila Shan a couple times, go and fight/deactivate an infinite droid factory, and then also defeating Malak a couple times. Zannah doesn't even *compare*.

That doesn't give greater Force reserves. He's drawing on his own natural power no matter if he's using the Light or Dark sides. That doesn't make him a rival to Vitiate's Force reserves at all. He almost died from that mental war, lol. Zannah's Force reserves do rival Vitiates though.

That doesn't matter. Her technique will sap his stamina while conserving her. He doesn't have the strength, skill or speed to press her defenses enough to tire her out. Also Revan had time to rest during the Star Forge battle, while he was making his new robes and talking to Bastila and Malak before fighting them.

That doesn't give greater Force reserves. He's drawing on his own natural power no matter if he's using the Light or Dark sides. That doesn't make him a rival to Vitiate's Force reserves at all. He almost died from that mental war, lol. Zannah's Force reserves do rival Vitiates though.

That doesn't matter. Her technique will sap his stamina while conserving her. He doesn't have the strength, skill or speed to press her defenses enough to tire her out.

Also Revan had time to rest during the Star Forge battle, while he was making his new robes and talking to Bastila and Malak before fighting them.

Also, the Star Forge *feeds* off life and the Force. If you are not apparently drawing on it's powers like the Sith were, it is technically draining you, right?

Revan's robes had to be remade because he's wearing them in the book and in TOR. He wore Qel-Droma's outer robe over that, I believe, though.

The robes in KotOR aren't the same as in the novel.

What the ****?!!!!

Somebody stop me if I misread something, but did Revan take a break from trying to stop Malak on the Star Forge... TO MAKE ROBES?!!!!!

And his mask. Revan can't do anything without looking stylish after all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That doesn't give greater Force reserves. He's drawing on his own natural power no matter if he's using the Light or Dark sides. That doesn't make him a rival to Vitiate's Force reserves at all. He almost died from that mental war, lol. Zannah's Force reserves do rival Vitiates though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That doesn't matter. Her technique will sap his stamina while conserving her. He doesn't have the strength, skill or speed to press her defenses enough to tire her out. Also Revan had time to rest during the Star Forge battle, while he was making his new robes and talking to Bastila and Malak before fighting them.

On what basis are you concluding that Zannah have greater raw power then Revan? Have Zannah ever battled hordes of Sith forces and defeated multiple Sith Lords in a single prolonged battle? Have Zannah ever demonstrated the raw power to pull off Yoda like feats against Sith powers?

Revan have demonstrated greater raw power then Zannah, his performance on Star Forge and later on against Nyriss proves this.

In addition, Revan is also very fast, just that speed feats aren't always quantifiable.

has.... ****ING "HAS"

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What the ****?!!!!

Somebody stop me if I misread something, but did Revan take a break from trying to stop Malak on the Star Forge... TO MAKE ROBES?!!!!!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The robes in KotOR aren't the same as in the novel.

Legend, I'm taking about Zannah's lightsaber technique, not a Force power.

Zannah has more raw power than Darth Bane, who is a rival of Vitiate.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I chock the coloration up to game mechanics. The mask isn't the same in the game and in the novel/game either, if we're going there.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, they are canonically different robes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Zannah has more raw power than Darth Bane, who is a rival of Vitiate.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He almost died from that mental war because of the *draining*, not because he couldn't handle Vitiate's mental powers.
With Meetra replenishing the energy he was losing from the *draining*, his natural strength was able to lock Vitiate in a mental war for 300 years!
Drawing from the light *and* dark allows him to call upon extra energy when needed to supply himself. Assuming the world isn't on a nexus, Zannah can only draw on half of that energy.

That doesn't make him have comparable power to Vitiate's power. All it does is prove he can resist Vitiate's mental probing. That doesn't require him to have similar raw power. He obviously doesn't, otherwise his "demonstration of raw power" wouldn't have failed against Vitiate's lightning.

😐 That's not how the Force works you dolt. Does Sidious only have half the power of Revan? Don't be stupid. A Force adepts ability to draw on the Force relies on their Force Mastery, not how many sides of the Force they can draw on. Revan would have no more energy than if he were 100% light or dark.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You think Revan, one of the greatest military leaders in history, is stupid enough to know that her technique will do that to him?
Revan will probably know this via instantly thanks to precognition, and come up with a plan to counter it. He's good at that.
Spinning your blade constantly requires more energy then just tapping at the barrier every so often.
Zannah will tire long before Revan does. You think he will just recklessly attack her and waist his energy?

Revan has a history of doing the same thing over and over when it doesn't work. If he's dumb enough to attack Vitiate head on again and again maybe he's dumb enough to try to wear Zannah down through attrition. It's not like theres anything else he can do.

What plan? The only thing he could try is Force attacks and Zannah has her lightsaber here so no lightning, TK is a bust and he's got nothing else.

No it doesn't. Lightsaber combat takes a lot of energy, that's why Yoda is so tired after a few minutes of whirling around. Zannah's technique is designed around a minimization of effort. It's stated that it takes her barely anything to deflect blows. Revan will expend more energy than her.

Lol, no she won't. He can't press her at all in lightsabers.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lol wut. There were Dark Jedi in the room he makes his new robes, and I seriously even doubt he made new robes.
Canonically, he wore the Qel-Droma robes from Korriban to the Star Forge, according to the vision that came true.
Talking to Bastila/Malak for a couple of seconds doesn't mean anything. They were on a *Dark Side nexus*. 😬

See above. He at least made himself a new mask.

Talking with them gives him a chance to rest and recover his stamina.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Also:

Tulak Hord, Nihilus, Sidious, Plagueis and others.

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I have so many debates to reply to across these boards.