Darth Zannah vs. Revan Reborn · Star Wars Versus Forum

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

That is why I stick to Revan/Malak on these boards.
The two Zannah vs Revan threads are my only debate.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by Nephthys
That doesn't make him have comparable power to Vitiate's power. All it does is prove he can resist Vitiate's mental probing. That doesn't require him to have similar raw power.

Resisting Vitiate's mental probing *is* a demonstration of Revan's power. It is not only a showcase his will-power, but also Force Resistance.
Both were actively drawing on the Force to aid themselves in the mental-war. "Though he was physically helpless, mentally he was strong enough to wage war against the Emperor..."
Now I will reference to the quote where it says "It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall."
Mind-domination is a demonstration of power, as that quote proves. Defending against it would also then be one, as well. Similar to lightning and tutaminis.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He obviously doesn't, otherwise his "demonstration of raw power" wouldn't have failed against Vitiate's lightning.

The Sith Emperor was actively charging up his energy in that situation. Hardly an accurate representation. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan has a history of doing the same thing over and over when it doesn't work. If he's dumb enough to attack Vitiate head on again and again maybe he's dumb enough to try to wear Zannah down through attrition. It's not like theres anything else he can do.

Excuse yourself. Revan charging Vitiate was a demonstration of his tactical ingenuity.
Vitiate was harnessing and preparing his power, and charging him would be the only course of action to prevent him from doing such.
On top of this, this saves Revan from a direct mental-assault in the beginning because Vitiate has to worry about defending himself.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What plan? The only thing he could try is Force attacks and Zannah has her lightsaber here so no lightning, TK is a bust and he's got nothing else.

Plan in terms of how to engage her, like tactics. And, Revan can use Force Drain. 😉
And I would like to see Zannah defend against a FLS with her saber, because I see that rather unlikely.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. Lightsaber combat takes a lot of energy, that's why Yoda is so tired after a few minutes of whirling around. Zannah's technique is designed around a minimization of effort. It's stated that it takes her barely anything to deflect blows. Revan will expend more energy than her.
Lol, no she won't. He can't press her at all in lightsabers.

Total bullshit. And average lightsaber like Revan's is said to weigh 2.2 pounds according to Roleplaying Game: Saga Edition Core Rulebook.
Zannah's lightsaber has an elongated hilt, deeming it logically heavier. Hell, based on the pictures, it might be two times the size!
It would require more energy to twirl a heavier lightsaber in a 360 degree circle over and over again then to just swing one in a strait line.

He at least made himself a new mask.

I don't recall you make a mask their anwyay, just the robes.
The only canonical representation shows him with the Droma robes also:

Talking with them gives him a chance to rest and recover his stamina.

Did anyone lol at this?

"The next hour is spent frantically blasting, swiping, and crushing countless Dark Jedi and Sith heavy weapons and elite troopers on your way through the decks of the space station."
―Knights of the Old Republic Prima Guide

He fights through Dark Jedi for an *hour*. A ****ing *hour*! Yoda get's tired after a couple minutes...Revan ****ing fights for an hour, then goes on to slam down Bastila and Malak. You seriously think Malak would let Revan recover his strength? Let's get serious. I actually question if that is even possible for a Lightside user, considering the Star Forge feeds off the Force and life.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Right...canonical representation.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Though there is another one with him fighting through the Star Forge, but of course, that could be before he reaches the station to remake the robes. Either way, I doubt it matters since the Star Forge would not take large amounts of time to remake anything wearable by one person.

EDIT: Now politically correct

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Meh, it's in the SWTORE. It's accurate without Shan, like Wookiee uses.
Also, don't use my smiles from my forum. We aren't considered friends yet.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

But I didn't use it, that's a quote from you that I took the tags off of.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Lol, I'm joking bro.

juyomaster34 Senior Member

Reborn Revan wins this easily...hence the quote I am Revan,reborn
before me you are nothing.

that's a good quote,We Sith are an unseen opposition.A phantom menace.
Where the Sith once used armor,we now wear cloaks.But the Force works through us all the more powerfully in our invisibility.

I like that.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Reborn Revan wins this easily...

Nobody is winning this one easily.

juyomaster34 Senior Member

Zannah might be a talented sorcerist but she is no Revan with knowledge of both light and dark.including the forbidden rituals and etc.

please...Zannah has no chance. the tendril thing ain't nothing compared to the thought bomb and who knows what else Revan learned from the Rakata.

so imo easily wins.Revan is power my friend. Zannah is just a place holder.she shouldn't even be compared to Revan or even in the same category as Revan.

what I mean by easily is this is a no brainer,look at Revan's skills, his accomplishments,his power alone was enough for Malak to fear him and Darth Bane to respect him.

Who is Darth Zannah when she earned DLOS what did accomplish?
Who did she duel? Did she grow in power to be in the same shoes as Revan?
No.until they reveal more about Zannah then we can compare her with Revan.imo there is not enough information on her to be even close to Revan,imo respectfully.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Zannah might be a talented sorcerist but she is no Revan with knowledge of both light and dark.including the forbidden rituals and etc.

Zannah was apprenticed to Bane, who had the knowledge from Revan's holocron as well as providing Zannah with the knowledge from Freedon Nadd's holocron. Freedon Nadd's own knowledge was very extensive.

Not trying to start a flame war about who is more knowledgeable of the two, but it is definitely not a trump card.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
please...Zannah has no chance. the tendril thing ain't nothing compared to the thought bomb and who knows what else Revan learned from the Rakata.

Zannah could use the tendrils FAAAAARRRRRR more easily than Revan could use the thought bomb. Plus the thought bomb is a suicide weapon. All in all this point does absolutely nothing in Revan's favor.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
so imo easily wins.Revan is power my friend. Zannah is just a place holder.she shouldn't even be compared to Revan or even in the same category as Revan.

Zannah is very underrated as a force wielder and a duelist. Her illusions can break all but the most powerful minds, and she is one of the most effective defensive duelists in the mythos.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

THE most effective defense, imo.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by Nephthys
THE most effective defense, imo.

Quite possibly

👆

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by Nephthys
THE most effective defense, imo.

Have you by any chance seen my Interesting Fighting Styles post for her?

NewGuy01 perpetual

How about the hilt, for weak spots? Lol.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

A minimal movement avoids that.

juyomaster34 Senior Member

This is Reborn Revan,not the old Revan.His new abilities wasn't recorded in his holocron. the most effective defense? not entirely true.

nice opinion,but not true fact.when has all defense and no offense helped anybody? I think never...

Who cares about tendrils? Bane didn't have the knowledge to defend against them.I bet Reborn Revan does.

It still falls in Reborn Revan's favor

the post says Reborn Revan,meaning after he made that holocron as Darth Revan.

meaning Reborn Revan's knowledge still supports my agrument in which Zannah or Bane has no knowledge of his new teachings or techniques.

which also still supports my oppinion that Reborn Revan wins...and I still quote easily...I AM Revan reborn,before me Darth Zannah is nothing. imo respectfully.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by juyomaster34

that's a good quote,We Sith are an unseen opposition.A phantom menace.
Where the Sith once used armor,we now wear cloaks.But the Force works through us all the more powerfully in our invisibility.
I like that.

There's a reason he's called Plagueis the Wise. He learned from the best.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by juyomaster34
This is Reborn Revan,not the old Revan.His new abilities wasn't recorded in his holocron.

Revan also didn't have access to Nadd's vast knowledge, which Bane and Zannah had full access to.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
the most effective defense? not entirely true.

It's certainly one of the most effective defenses in lightsaber dueling.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
nice opinion,but not true fact.when has all defense and no offense helped anybody? I think never...

Zannah is uncomfortable in an offensive role as a duelist, but is still perfectly capable of offensive maneuvers when the opportunity presents itself. Plus she also has her force abilities to lash out with.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Who cares about tendrils? Bane didn't have the knowledge to defend against them.I bet Reborn Revan does.

What on Earth leads toy to believe Revan can defend against the Tendrils?

Originally posted by juyomaster34
the post says Reborn Revan,meaning after he made that holocron as Darth Revan. meaning Reborn Revan's knowledge still supports my agrument in which Zannah or Bane has no knowledge of his new teachings or techniques.

And Revan never had access to Nadd's teachings or techniques.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
which also still supports my oppinion that Reborn Revan wins...and I still quote easily...I AM Revan reborn,before me Darth Zannah is nothing. imo respectfully.

No. Please explain with what Revan would beat Zannah "easily"

juyomaster34 Senior Member

Revan didn't put everything he knew about the Force in his holocron.He didn't put everything he knew about the Rakata either.

If I had a choice between Nadd's teachings and The Rakata's teachings,I'll
go with the Rakata's teachings and technology.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Revan didn't put everything he knew about the Force in his holocron.He didn't put everything he knew about the Rakata either.
If I had a choice between Nadd's teachings and The Rakata's teachings,I'll
go with the Rakata's teachings and technology.

Nadd has some quote about him having knowledge of all force techniques or something. Possible hyperbole, but it does demonstrate a depth of knowledge.

And what Rakatan teachings has Revan demonstrated that would be game changing?

I don't see how knowledge of Rakatan technology will help Revan here... he's not equipped with the Star Forge.

I ask you again... with what does Revan stomp Zannah?