So a movie is directly based on a comic run. And because it doesn't specifically say, "Because Caiera is an Oldstrong, she can use the Old Power", then she doesn't have it? Despite the Old Power is the only reason she can fight with Hulk, because they have to amp to those levels.
I guess because it didn't say "Beta Ray Bill got Stormbreaker for earnign Odin's respect", or "Hulk gets stronger the madder he is", those don't count either?
That's some Quan level debating.
Well let's do some MVF rules. We know lightsabers have trouble cutting through tough metals. It took Qui-Gon a good bit to get through a durasteel blast door, and we saw the Magna-Guards(General Grievous robo henchmen) Phrik tipped elextro staffs completely repelled a saber strike.
Caiera was durable enough to withstand a nuke that wiped out everything in a huge radius around her with no damage whatsoever. It's safe to say even if the lightsaber could hurt her, which it's doubtful that it could. It would do minor damage or take too long to do any real damage to do Maul any good. And Caiera is plenty fast, and strong and skilled to make this more of a fight than it was against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
Maul dies a quick, yet relatively painless death if Caiera doesn't toy around.
Originally posted by KingD19K, if you wanna use all her feats, Maul gets offensive force powers. Your call.
Well let's do some MVF rules. We know lightsabers have trouble cutting through tough metals. It took Qui-Gon a good bit to get through a durasteel blast door, and we saw the Magna-Guards(General Grievous robo henchmen) Phrik tipped elextro staffs completely repelled a saber strike.Caiera was durable enough to withstand a nuke that wiped out everything in a huge radius around her with no damage whatsoever. It's safe to say even if the lightsaber could hurt her, which it's doubtful that it could. It would do minor damage or take too long to do any real damage to do Maul any good. And Caiera is plenty fast, and strong and skilled to make this more of a fight than it was against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
Maul dies a quick, yet relatively painless death if Caiera doesn't toy around.
So Force TK? Like I said?
And it was implied Hiroim and Caiera had their Old Power abilities. As their stone skin is what allowed Caiera to not be infected by the spores, and her amping herself is why she could even hurt Hulk, or blast all of his armor off while making a 40 foot shockwave and punching a hole in his chest.
Not all Old Strong have the Old Power. Not all humans are mutants. It's the same concept.
Maul is strong enough to yank her blade out of her hand? When she was strong enough to tangle with Hulk? Gotcha.
He's strong enough to immobilize her? Despite only showing very basic level Force TK(Push, and a slight bit of manipulation)? Gotcha.
She never tanked a bomb that destroyed an entire village? Which would put it's heat output at an insane level? Gotcha.
Originally posted by RJ 2.0
No, it is not mentioned, it is never even touched on, therefore it does not exist. Screen feats/facts only.
This.
It does not matter that her character is based off of the comic books. If the Old Power was NOT established in the film, it doesn't happen and cannot be used in the MVF.
The Flash has gone faster than the speed of light many times in the comic books but doesn't in some animated movies. So if a thread specifies that we are to use a Flash that is sublight, we can't just give him FTL feats.
This same thing would apply to Caiera.
However, there are other things about Caiera that make her win this fight AND resistant to a lightsaber blade: all a lightsaber blade is is plasma. Something that's stupid hot.
Nuclear weapons create heat in the millions (maybe tens to hundreds of millions) of degrees. If she survived that without being incinerated, a lightsaber blade won't even harm her. 🙂
See, there are other methods to wining these debates than just using comic-book-only material.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This.It does not matter that her character is based off of the comic books. If the Old Power was NOT established in the film, it doesn't happen and cannot be used in the MVF.
The Flash has gone faster than the speed of light many times in the comic books but doesn't in some animated movies. So if a thread specifies that we are to use a Flash that is sublight, we can't just give him FTL feats.
This same thing would apply to Caiera.
However, there are other things about Caiera that make her win this fight AND resistant to a lightsaber blade: all a lightsaber blade is is plasma. Something that's stupid hot.
Nuclear weapons create heat in the millions (maybe tens to hundreds of millions) of degrees. If she survived that without being incinerated, a lightsaber blade won't even harm her. 🙂
See, there are other methods to wining these debates than just using comic-book-only material.
Otherwise all of his points(ranging from Caiera's Hulk level strength to nuke-surviving durability) are strictly based on screen-feats.
Originally posted by Epicurus
KingD19 is using exactly those other methods to debate in favor of Caiera.
Yes he is and I honestly considered acknowledging that in my post but decided I was too verbose, as is. I am trying to cut back the quantity of my posts in favor of succinct and precise brevity.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Otherwise all of his points(ranging from Caiera's Hulk level strength to nuke-surviving durability) are strictly based on screen-feats.
Indeed. Nothing comes close to being able to harm her. Maul in no way demonstrated to be able to pick up multi-ton objects much less 60+ tons (I may be unintentionally conflating tonne-force, here...). She can exert much more force, through her body, than Maul can hope to bind with his TK. Hell, Sidious doesn't have the feats to hold her.
How is Maul holding someone in place that is stronger than his powers? How is he force choking her? Her neck has more strength muscle than anything he can conjure. That's like me saying Maul could force choke Superman. It ain't happening. His best ft is moving a light Saber and some other advancement of machinery, that ain't enough.