Thanos Vs H/P Doomsday

Started by KuRuPT Thanosi15 pages

Is h1a8 being a moron again? Now DS in that arc with HPDD was 100x more powerful than superman.. and a rival to galactus? I still say there should be a ban for not reading comics and posting idiocy on a daily basis.

Again Thanos puts down DD each time they meet for the first time... That is just how it would go down. There is no logical reason to think he wouldn't. Sure it would be a good fight... but he'd be put down. Then they would meet for match no. 2 (which again is for the first time with no adaptation) and he would be put down again.

^ are you aware of this, KT:

Originally posted by Galan007
It turns out that Superman was hugely amped when he battled H/P Doomsday--before he even acquired a Mother Box...

A few months before the H/P arc began, a depowered Superman encountered Henshaw in 'Superman' v2 #82. As you can see, Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, but Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman himself. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
http://imgur.com/afwas1f
http://imgur.com/rTviBRf
http://imgur.com/sIa6JDf
http://imgur.com/aifJIPm
http://imgur.com/f7Mln3d
http://imgur.com/UAFgRuW
http://imgur.com/nAPpc9q
"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
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Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful. Examples...

"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!":
http://imgur.com/cyXBzZW

"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than ever before!":
http://imgur.com/Us6v8mS
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Hamilton explains Superman's amp...

"You're absorbing solar radiation--and other energies--much faster than ever before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite--call it Kryptonite-X."

Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"

Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
http://imgur.com/Q4ptobr
http://imgur.com/1Sb6SFT
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His power increase was ambiguously alluded to during the H/P arc itself...

I'm better than before, too! Stronger.":
http://imgur.com/8cCM1Ii
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However, his hugely amplified power during the H/P arc would be flat-out stated years later, in 'The Man of Tomorrow' #9...

"After his recovery, [Superman] was stronger than ever. Good thing, too--'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the extra power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to help him stand up to Doomsday.":
http://imgur.com/SuRu2cz

In a nutshell: Superman was massively amped when the H/P arc began(to the point that he could use as little effort as possible, and was still more powerful than he was at his standard levels), yet was laughably inferior to H/P Doomsday. He then further amped his powers with a Mother Box, and was still barely able to give DD pause.

That is a huge testament to how f*cking powerful Doomsday was during that arc. FAR more powerful than I'd previously thought, tbh.

^In what Tier would you place HP DD, amped Superman and MotherBox amped Superman?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ are you aware of this, KT:
Interesting, very interesting.... I hope you don't mind me using your scans to put an end to something.

Originally posted by JBL
Interesting, very interesting.... I hope you don't mind me using your scans to put an end to something.
😑 😑

John Bradshaw Layfield needs no permission. He is but a god.

Originally posted by Galan007
impossible to say. my only point is that entropy really cannot be compared to any other type of energy except for nullification.

do you believe a blast from omega=a blast from the UN..?

it honestly doesn't matter how you interpreted the art, because in the very next issue darkseid told us what happened:
http://i.imgur.com/L6z2BsY.jpg
"Darkseid transported you from your fate at the hand of Imperiex's matter collapse and energy null for a higher purpose." in layman's terms: "I saved your ass from Imperiex's entropy blast, so you need to help me."

had entropy itself physically touched him, superman would have been destroyed...but it didn't, so he wasn't.

👆

Nicely done.

Originally posted by Galan007
impossible to say. my only point is that entropy really cannot be compared to any other type of energy except for nullification.

do you believe a blast from omega=a blast from the UN..?

it honestly doesn't matter how you interpreted the art, because in the very next issue darkseid told us what happened:
http://i.imgur.com/L6z2BsY.jpg
"Darkseid transported you from your fate at the hand of Imperiex's matter collapse and energy null for a higher purpose." in layman's terms: "I saved your ass from Imperiex's entropy blast, so you need to help me."

had entropy itself physically touched him, superman would have been destroyed...but it didn't, so he wasn't.

EXACT same issue as your scan of the Darkseid statement.

"The Kryptonian has himself this day faced death and felt its breath--before Imperiex he fell but was sparred the killing blow."

Superman was unconscious when brought to Apokolips. The Boom Tube knocked him out but for some reason narration said Imperiex beat him?

"BUT WAS SPARED THE KILLING BLOW."

ergo he was 'ported away BEFORE the entropy destroyed him. darkseid further confirms this in the scan i already posted. point being: superman did not 'tank' entropy, or w/e, as it was made abundantly clear that said blast WOULD HAVE destroyed supes had darkseid not saved him from it.

He felt its breath....he fell but was spared the killing blow.

Only its breath.

Hey big Buddy... actually some of that I hadn't seen before or didn't remember it.. so TY for posting it. Thing is, I do think Superman was amp and it was impressive. However, wasn't it harder for superman to put down doomsday because he had already faced superman before? He had faced him before and knew what he did and was capable of... So it wasn't going to be as easy this time so superman had to amp up... Here.. DD doesn't have the luxury of facing Thanos before... nor anything to adapt to or be ready for. Still though, I think it would be a good fight... and I think you agree on that... I just think Thanos has what it takes to put him down for the count enough times for a majority. Thanos is all around more powerful than superman.... as well as tactically smarter. Imo he would find a way... Thanos usually always does. It's a good fight though no doubt

Originally posted by Galan007
"BUT WAS SPARED THE KILLING BLOW."

ergo he was 'ported away BEFORE the entropy destroyed him. darkseid further confirms this in the scan i already posted. point being: superman did not 'tank' entropy, or w/e, as it was made abundantly clear that said blast WOULD HAVE destroyed supes had darkseid not saved him from it.

So tell me again what Imperiex beat Superman with? Was it Superman was KOed by the Boom Tube he was brought to Apokolips with(something I've never heard of happening to anybody) and for some reason the writer had narration attribute it to Imperiex? And who ever claimed Superman tanked it?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He felt its breath....he fell but was spared the killing blow.

Only its breath.

👆 i took "breath" to mean the initial 'shockwave'(or whathaveyou) that precedes the main blast. he certainly didn't get hit by entropy, that's for sure.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Hey big Buddy... actually some of that I hadn't seen before or didn't remember it.. so TY for posting it. Thing is, I do think Superman was amp and it was impressive. However, wasn't it harder for superman to put down doomsday because he had already faced superman before? He had faced him before and knew what he did and was capable of... So it wasn't going to be as easy this time so superman had to amp up... Here.. DD doesn't have the luxury of facing Thanos before... nor anything to adapt to or be ready for. Still though, I think it would be a good fight... and I think you agree on that... I just think Thanos has what it takes to put him down for the count enough times for a majority. Thanos is all around more powerful than superman.... as well as tactically smarter. Imo he would find a way... Thanos usually always does. It's a good fight though no doubt
due to events from other comics, superman went into that battle much more powerful than he was the last time he fought dd. in fact, superman's power had increased to such a degree that he compared his LIGHTEST [amped] TOUCH, to his MOST POWERFUL [standard] PUNCH. aside from that, supes outright stated that he was more powerful than he'd EVER been, even while using as LITTLE EFFORT as possible. that is a gargantuan amp, tbh... and that is the level supes was at when the h/p arc STARTED.

...he then further boosted his [already amped] powers with a motherbox before confronting dd--yet dd still pummeled him with the utmost of ease.

it's hard to describe how insanely uber that is.

Originally posted by Delta1938
EXACT same issue as your scan of the Darkseid statement.

"The Kryptonian has himself this day faced death and felt its breath--before Imperiex he fell but was sparred the killing blow."

Superman was unconscious when brought to Apokolips. The Boom Tube knocked him out but for some reason narration said Imperiex beat him?

WOW!! Do you know what the word SPARED mean or is it that you want people to believe your twisted version of a scan that a 5 year old could understand?

Originally posted by JBL
WOW!! Do you know what the word SPARED mean or is it that you want people to believe your twisted version of a scan that a 5 year old could understand?

WOW!!! You certainly ignored the part where it says Superman was defeated by Imperiex and nobody's come-up with a reason to explain how Superman never got hit by anything but was still unconscious on Apokolips and narration straight-up says Imperiex defeated Superman. Did it ever occur to you, perhaps Superman gets hit but was teleported away before he took enough of the blast to kill him? No, not it did not occur to you.

Originally posted by Delta1938
WOW!!! You certainly ignored the part where it says Superman was defeated by Imperiex and nobody's come-up with a reason to explain how Superman never got hit by anything but was still unconscious on Apokolips and narration straight-up says Imperiex defeated Superman. Did it ever occur to you, perhaps Superman gets hit but was teleported away before he took enough of the blast to kill him? No, not it did not occur to you.
You can feel the heat of a volcano ( breath ) now go jump your butt into the lava ( killing blow ) and see what happens. GET IT NOW? 😮‍💨

Originally posted by JBL
You can feel the heat of a volcano ( breath ) now go jump your butt into the lava ( killing blow ) and see what happens. GET IT NOW? 😮‍💨

So you have no idea what you're talking about, and no idea that you don't know. The irony is delicious.

Originally posted by JBL
You can feel the heat of a volcano ( breath ) now go jump your butt into the lava ( killing blow ) and see what happens. GET IT NOW? 😮‍💨
that's actually a great analogy. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
that's actually a great analogy. 👆

So basically, your entire argument that Superman was teleported before he got hit by anything is based on Darkseid's dialogue. Superman was shown hit by an energy blast on-panel, in MOS #116 we see narration state that Superman was defeated by Imperiex, he's unconscious when brought to Apokolips.

For you experts out there, any precedent that shows how long the process takes until you're actually kaput?

Originally posted by Stoic
He did it when he fought his doppelganger. Is this proof enough? Also your take on the Champion showing is wrong, but what's new? The Champion wasn't holding back when he was hitting Thanos' shields, I'm not sure what exactly you were seeing, but he was trying to kill Thanos. When this did not happen he took to the skies and attempting to kill Thanos by taking another approach. I don't know why you make these things up, that go outside of what was actually seen in the book.

Thanos came back from bones. How long do you think that took? How long did it take HP DD to come back from being reduced to bones? Years? You only see what you want to see.

What issue did he fight his doppleganger, or what's the title of the series?
Champion wasn't holding back but his power was increasing more and more. That means he wasn't hitting anywhere near planet destroying force in the beginning. Hell he never hit with planet busting force EVER. Why? Because the last hit (which was the hardest) created an instability in the planet's core. The planet blew itself up. That's totally different than directly destroying the planet without help.

Thanos coming back from bones was due to Death bring him back. Thanos couldn't die in that particular comic (not in all), but he always could be knocked the phuck out. When Thanos dies he gets resurrected, not when Thanos gets damaged he heals. Otherwise, it would contradict many Thanos showings including the current ones.

Also you overlooked my last reply to you.
"We go by feats.
On average DS isn't more powerful than Galactus. But in that arc, the OB was astronomically more powerful than Superman. This was a fact. HP DD took more than twice that power.

Omega never was shown to be even 100x more powerful than Superman.

Durability, power blast output, strength, speed, skill are all different things.
You can't equate one thing with another.
DS blasting power has nothing to do with his strength, durability, or speed.
DD was physically stronger, faster, etc."