Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No.No.
No. Though she did have that hax. Still, she was never that impressive to begin with.
Yes.
Debateable.
You know, im sorry but I am getting really tired of you trying to downplay Jaden's feats. you get your facts then you completely disregard them, you continue to undermine and downplay everything that I say when it comes to Jaden, even after I've pointed out several things that make Jaden much more impressive than Orgus Din Or Quinlan Vos and Saesee Tiin and even Darach, he is a powerful user of TK defeated Tavion with a calm cool head while Kyle didn't while drawing on his anger, his TK surpasses his own master's
He managed to Defeat Rosh and the Kathos twins while on Vjun which had Dark-side energie which Luke considered "oppressive"
He moved an entire ****ing Pillar, Opened a large door with the force, sent a boulder flying, moved three statues twice his size by himself, even in the dark side his immense power of TK was able to send two jedi flying, one made a ****ing hole in the wall the other broke the tip of a large pillar. He was much more experienced than Darach in lightsaber combat, He's taken on various sith during the attack on Korriban and he soled the ****ing Taspir III base and soled various other missions.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
You know, im sorry but I am getting really tired of you trying to downplay Jaden's feats. you get your facts then you completely disregard them, you continue to undermine and downplay everything that I say when it comes to Jaden, even after I've pointed out several things that make Jaden much more impressive than Orgus Din Or Quinlan Vos and Saesee Tiin and even Darach, he is a powerful user of TK defeated Tavion with a calm cool head while Kyle didn't while drawing on his anger, his TK surpasses his own master's
He managed to Defeat Rosh and the Kathos twins while on Vjun which had Dark-side energie which Luke considered "oppressive"
He moved an entire ****ing Pillar,
Opened a large door with the force,
sent a boulder flying,
moved three statues twice his size by himself,
even in the dark side his immense power of TK was able to send two jedi flying, one made a ****ing hole in the wall the other broke the tip of a large pillar.
He was much more experienced than Darach in lightsaber combat, He's taken on various sith during the attack on Korriban and he soled the ****ing Taspir III base and soled various other missions.
And none of that is comparable to Satele.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You seem to be very misinformed on that one.Jaden has far more experience combating other force wielders than Darach does. Darach died in the first lightsaber duel of the war, and Jaden fought several Dark Jedi.
But as for this instance, I believed we were speaking of Jedi Academy which had a total of three Dark Jedi in it, two featless and the other's biggest feat losing to Kyle.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Alora is not a master of anything. Tavion is not stated to be a master of anything. The Disciples of Ragnos are not Dark Jedi. These are facts that are irrefutable.Rosh is the definition of featless. He isn't even implied to be on Jaden's level early in the story. The fact that he is on a nexus with no knowledge of how to use the Dark Side efficiently is pointless.
It was already broken, the only thing he did is control the fall, while that is impressive Satele's TK is has actually been used in a combat situation.
In the way the door was meant to be open. It takes strength, but nowhere near as much as it does to actually break anything.
That's not impressive.
Also not impressive.
TKing two mooks is not worth mentioning, especially when it's N-canon.
The Disciples of Ragnos aren't even Force-Sensitive let alone Sith. Does it take a lot of endurance to do such things? Yes. Is it the sign of mastery? No. Finally, if you think that a 13 year old who just recently joined the Jedi is more experienced in lightsaber combat than a Jedi Battlemaster, well....that's your opinion.
And none of that is comparable to Satele.
expect a response sometime tonight. I'm not giving up just yet
Here's your ****ing response Freshestslice lets hope you learn something.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Alora is not a master of anything. Tavion is not stated to be a master of anything. The Disciples of Ragnos are not Dark Jedi. These are facts that are irrefutable.
If Jaden Got better by the time he faced Alora and Tavion don't you think Alora would've gotten better as well? especially considering she's somewhat on Jaden's level? and Tavion would've also gotten better considering its been a few years since she faced Katarn and she's no longer Desann's apprentice.
While the disciples of Ragnos are not Sith they ARE dark Jedi, their ideals are to serve themselves and their goal is to revive a dark lord to lead them that makes them Dark Jedi Here's the wookieepedia discreption of dark jedi
"Despite the fact that both groups called upon the dark side of the Force, Dark Jedi were not the same as the Sith, though the first group of the Dark Jedi were the predecessors of the Dark Lords in the ancient Sith Empire.
The term Dark Jedi was a collective and vague name of dark side practitioners (be they fallen or rogue Jedi) that used Force powers and a lightsaber, but were not always members of a certain organization; whereas the term Sith refers to a definite heritage or ideology. Some Dark Jedi were allied to the Sith or other organizations, while others were loners. Because they were notoriously dangerous, unstable, and treacherous, Dark Jedi seldom formed well-organized groups on their own in order to expand their following or reinforce their strength. One notable exception to this was the Miraluka Dark Jedi Jerec and his retinue of minions. Dark Jedi could also use their power for personal gain, becoming mercenaries or assassins"
and Wookieepedia supports me on this by includeing Tavion and her sect in their Dark Jedi Page which Includes Jerec and Desann.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Rosh is the definition of featless. He isn't even implied to be on Jaden's level early in the story. The fact that he is on a nexus with no knowledge of how to use the Dark Side efficiently is pointless.
Yet he had Two of Tavions Top men amp him and provide him with "supporting fire" with their lighting and drain, not to mention he survived getting his entire arm cut off and used the force to lift three large cylinders, his training under katarn allowed him to duel with Jaden for a while before losing, The definition of featless is not Rosh its Cin Drallig read up on that hun. and while he may still lost he still didn't get killed like a chump like Drallig
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's not impressive.
Here's the video starts at 1:37
watch?v=oo9y1PH63I4
How the **** is that not impressive?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Also not impressive.
Half his ****ing size, not impressive, but it takes strength and focus.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
TKing two mooks is not worth mentioning, especially when it's N-canon.
and taking on a featless Dark Lord like Vindican is? saying that the choice you made in the TOR game is?I know it's N-canon but it shows how powerful he could become.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Disciples of Ragnos aren't even Force-Sensitive let alone Sith. Does it take a lot of endurance to do such things? Yes. Is it the sign of mastery?.
Its a sign of great Versatility on the field of battle, the fact that at such a young he defeated Dark Jedi Cultist, Dark Jedi Knights and Master all whom utilized various lightsaber forms and types, The fact that you down play the cultist is pure bullshit on your part, you and a lot of other idiots tend to forget that they were infused with strong dark side energies from Byss, Vjun, Dagobah, Hoth, Yavin and various other planets, they may not be force sensitives but they are not mooks either. so yeah it does take a certain level of ****ing mastery.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Finally, if you think that a 13 year old who just recently joined the Jedi is more experienced in lightsaber combat than a Jedi Battlemaster, well....that's your opinion.
Jaden has done so much ****ing more in his first few months in the academy than ****ing Kao Cen Darach did in years!! He has way more battlefield experience than Darach, he has taken on MANY ****ing opponents, Sand people, Stormtroopers, Mercenaries, Dark Jedi, a Sith Lord who was Nearly unrivaled in his time. what the hell has Kao Cen Darach done to put him above Jaden! Its like saying Cin Drallig is better than Vos just because he's a battlemaster.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Most of the Dark Jedi Jaden fought were clones, which he could barely handle.
There is literally nothing that says "He could barely handle" anyone he soled the second half of the Vjun castle and literally devastated the entire ****ing Taspir III base, Taking on powerful Hazard troopers, Dark Jedi Master, Apprentices, Knights, acolytes etc and Alora After he took on the ENTIRE ****ING BASE ALONE!
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
But as for this instance, I believed we were speaking of Jedi Academy which had a total of three Dark Jedi in it, two featless and the other's biggest feat losing to Kyle.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Finally, if you think that a 13 year old who just recently joined the Jedi is more experienced in lightsaber combat than a Jedi Battlemaster, well....that's your opinion.
Yeah, it is my opinion and unlike your opinion evidence, facts and quotes support mine.
And none of that is comparable to Satele.
When .The .**** .Did .I . Even bloody imply that it was comparable to what Satale Has ****ing done!
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Here's your ****ing response Freshestslice lets hope you learn something.
If Jaden Got better by the time he faced Alora and Tavion don't you think Alora would've gotten better as well? especially considering she's somewhat on Jaden's level? and Tavion would've also gotten better considering its been a few years since she faced Katarn and she's no longer Desann's apprentice.
While the disciples of Ragnos are not Sith they ARE dark Jedi, their ideals are to serve themselves and their goal is to revive a dark lord to lead them that makes them Dark Jedi Here's the wookieepedia discreption of dark jedi"Despite the fact that both groups called upon the dark side of the Force, Dark Jedi were not the same as the Sith, though the first group of the Dark Jedi were the predecessors of the Dark Lords in the ancient Sith Empire.
The term Dark Jedi was a collective and vague name of dark side practitioners (be they fallen or rogue Jedi) that used Force powers and a lightsaber, but were not always members of a certain organization; whereas the term Sith refers to a definite heritage or ideology. Some Dark Jedi were allied to the Sith or other organizations, while others were loners. Because they were notoriously dangerous, unstable, and treacherous, Dark Jedi seldom formed well-organized groups on their own in order to expand their following or reinforce their strength. One notable exception to this was the Miraluka Dark Jedi Jerec and his retinue of minions. Dark Jedi could also use their power for personal gain, becoming mercenaries or assassins"
and Wookieepedia supports me on this by includeing Tavion and her sect in their Dark Jedi Page which Includes Jerec and Desann.
They aren't anything. They are people being powered by the Scepter of Ragnos. Just like the Reborn aren't Dark Jedi, neither are the Disciples of Ragnos. They are people Tavion recruited, along with some Reborn, and amped them. That's it. To call them Dark Jedi or to compare them to Sith is an insult to both.
Yet he had Two of Tavions Top men amp him and provide him with "supporting fire" with their lighting and drain, not to mention he survived getting his entire arm cut off and used the force to lift three large cylinders, his training under katarn allowed him to duel with Jaden for a while before losing, The definition of featless is not Rosh its Cin Drallig read up on that hun. and while he may still lost he still didn't get killed like a chump like Drallig
So no, a bunch of feats of losing and saying that he trained under Kyle makes him just as featless as Drallig.
Here's the video starts at 1:37
watch?v=oo9y1PH63I4How the **** is that not impressive?
Half his ****ing size, not impressive, but it takes strength and focus.
and taking on a featless Dark Lord like Vindican is? saying that the choice you made in the TOR game is?I know it's N-canon but it shows how powerful he could become.
Its a sign of great Versatility on the field of battle, the fact that at such a young he defeated Dark Jedi Cultist, Knights and Master all whom utilized various lightsaber forms and types, The fact that you down play the cultist is pure bullshit on your part, you and a lot of other idiots tend to forget that they were infused with strong dark side energies from Byss, Vjun, Dagobah, Hoth, Yavin and various other planets, they may not be force sensitives but they are not mooks either. so yeah it does take a certain level of ****ing mastery.
Jaden has done so much ****ing more in his first few months in the academy than ****ing Kao Cen Darach did in years!! He has way more battlefield experience than Darach, he has taken on MANY ****ing opponents, Sand people, Stormtroopers, Mercenaries, Dark Jedi, a Sith Lord who was Nearly unrivaled in his time. what the hell has Kao Cen Darach done to put him above Jaden! Its like saying Cin Drallig is better than Vos just because he's a battlemaster.
There is literally nothing that says "He could barely handle" anyone he soled the second half of the Vjun castle and literally devastated the entire ****ing Taspir III base, Taking on powerful Hazard troopers, Dark Jedi Master, Apprentices, Knights, acolytes etc and Alora After he took on the ENTIRE ****ING BASE ALONE!
You mean like the featless mook known as Orgus din you put above Jaden Korr? or how about the featless whelp that lost to the HoT during the ****ing prologue? Your bias and love towards the TOR era blinds you Slice and to think I actually kinda respected your opinions before, now I only respect Neph.
Orgus Din was called one of the most battle hardened Jedi of his day. And has comparable TK to most of the accolades you are giving to Jaden in TK. The fact that he was able to become a Force Ghost also shows a certain level of power. Not that he is an exceptional fighter by any means, compared to the big leagues of his day, but Jaden has been shown to be above average at best in the feats you have shown. And to be fair, Orgus' just as featless so I really don't care if he's bellow Jaden or not. We aren't talking about Din here, however, and my opinion from weeks ago does not pertain to now, nor does it pertain to her defeating either of the people in this thread. And losing to the HoT is a sign of weakness in the samevein as losing to Revan made Malak weak. Or Luke losing to Palpatine, or Yoda fleeing from Sidious. Finally, these people aren't weak because they lost to Jaden, the point is the feat isn't as impressive because they don't even have the in universe recognition, let alone the feats to back up that they are powerful.
Yeah, it is my opinion and unlike your opinion evidence, facts and quotes support mine.
When .The .**** .Did .I . Even bloody imply that it was comparable to what Satale Has ****ing done!
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I probably won't.
That is to be expected.
She's no longer Desann's apprentice because Desann's dead. :I While she may have gotten better, she was never good to begin with. When you face Alora, Jaden remarks on how she was no match for him before and he's even stronger now. Considering that Alora is below Tavion, who again has never been shown to be powerful on her on, that matters little.
No shit Sherlock, but Tavion did get better over the years after Desann's death, Katarn only beat her because he was drawing on his anger after she was using Dun Moch on him and it backfired on her. Alora was Jaden equal for a time and before lost, Her lighting sent him flying back before he could even react and when they dueled on Taspir she was pushing him back, not to mention she's the one that snuck into the Yavin temple - literally behind lukes back despite him having powerful senses.
They.
Aren't.
Even.
Force.
Sensitive.They aren't anything. They are people being powered by the Scepter of Ragnos. Just like the Reborn aren't Dark Jedi, neither are the Disciples of Ragnos. They are people Tavion recruited, along with some Reborn, and amped them. That's it.
Desann's Reborn were force sensitives empowered by the Valley Of The Jedi and They were later part of Tavions Cult, The Reborn ARE force Sensitives the cultist aren't. Jaden fought both. learn your facts before you spew your ignorance.
Oh and while the Reborn may not have been force sensitives here's something you should take a look even though you'll probably dismiss it. They Are considered Dark Jedi deal with it.
Hethrir had entrusted Desann with training a number of his loyal Empire Youths that were "purified" by a trans-dimensional being called Waru. The Dark Jedi used the Force nexus in the Valley of the Jedi, whose location Desann had tricked Kyle Katarn into revealing, quadrupling their powers with the residue of the ancient Jedi and Sith spirits. Wielding their own lightsabers, and wearing cloaked uniforms, they were a military organization that would support Hethrir's Empire Reborn and posed a serious threat to both the New Republic and Skywalker's newly established Jedi Order."
Unlike the Cultists that lost their powers when the scepter was destroyed, when Desann was defeated The Reborn KEPT their quadrupled powers and as such these Dark Jedi present a much bigger threat to Jaden
He is featless in a combat situation. His training didn't allow him to duel with Jaden, you even admit he was being amped by two people, and when he met Jaden alone, he was no match for him. Not that he was a match for him with two people amping him, they themselves never been shown to be powerful. He didn't even fight him. Surviving getting your arm cutoff is not a showing of power, especially when the wound is cauterized.
You do realize how universally idiotic you sound right now right?
I've never said Rosh was Jaden's equal - far from it, he's not on his level at all, but He dueled Jaden when he was being amped by two of Tavion's Top two men and AFTER Jaden Killed them, while he still may have lost he survived were COUNTLESS did not and that is impressive.
Because these are things that almost named Jedi can accomplish. You are comparing him to Satele Shan and a well renowned Jedi Battlemaster.
And all of them are great and powerful Jedi masters and/or Sith Lords. or are you gonna bring up Rivi Anu and say something very foolish?
I don't think defeating Vindican is that great of a feat, but theirs a difference between taking on a featless Apprentice and taking on a featless Sith Lord or Jedi Knight/Master. One has gone through all the trials, shown competence, and gained prestige enough to be promoted to a rank that allows them to teach others. The other is a Jedi apprentice.
Alora is literally the Dark Jedi version of Jaden, they are made up to be equals until he finally defeats her, Again she was so fast in her use of lightning that Jaden Had barely enough time to react and it sent him flying backwards! Alora is the dark equivalent of Jaden by the time he faces her on Taspir III!
Most of the energies are still in the staff and are needed to raise Ragnos. There's no implied mastery anywhere for any of them, Tavion included. That's a trait you gave them.
It implies mastery of battle from JADEN!! The fact that He took on COUNTLESS of powerful Reborn and Their artificially infused counter-parts implies great mastery of the lightsaber and Versatility. Though Kao Cen's duel with Vindican is impressive this is a weaker version of Malgus and a featless sith lord and he lost, Jaden has taken on a much more powerful version of Tavion who managed to rally former reborn, the empire, Mercenaries and Cultist to her cause and they followed her! No dark jedi or empire follows someone without fearing them and the fact that she lead her cult without question is a show of her power, Ragnos may have had something to with it, but how many people did you think she had to "Convince" so that they would join her cause?
No it's not. It's like saying that Jaden going through a few untrained people, and a diminished Sith Lord, somehow makes him as competent as a master.
These ****ing Reborn - which are the main enemies of Jaden for the 2nd and 3rd acts of the games, Are not "untrained" Even Luke regarded as powerful during the Outcast game, The reborn are powerful swordsmen and force users, Utilizing force abilities like Force Rage, Force Lighting and Force Drain along with their Core abilities - The cultist where infused with powerful energies that allowed them to use the deadly and power force lightning, Drain and Choke, they were trained to kill jedi and support Tavion. You honestly think Tavion Would send untrained peons to face Jedi? come on!
Ragnos, having been a spectre for thousands and thousands of years, is nowhere near as powerful as he once was. His strength before is irrelevant.
You mean like Exar Kun's spirit's strength is "irrelevant?" despite not even being on Ragnos' level in terms of Dark Side mastery?
They cutoff body parts, they stomped him, they damn near killed him.
Wasn't he facing the clone of a ****ing NJO council member! and didn't he get distracted when he lost three of his fingers! he in no way got "stomped" he was distracted and much like how Starkiller dealt with Shaak Ti, Alpha got a lucky shot. He nearly died, but he won in the end
Jaden would have died if not for finding his old lightsaber. It doesn't matter how many enemies he kills in gameplay Jaden has never been shown to be a Jedi killing machine.
😆 Funny, don't you and Nephthys(sorry Neph) Make the HoT, Emperor's Wrath, Nox, The Barsen'thor and the rest of their Ilk up to be gods because of Gameplay mechanics?
Icrie. Your approval meant so much to me.
Aw your hurt my feelings fan boy.
Orgus Din was called one of the most battle hardened Jedi of his day. And has comparable TK to most of the accolades you are giving to Jaden in TK
because defeating countless amounts of powerful Reborn/Dark Jedi and Artificially infused warriors can't totally be done by this featless shmuck? the same shmuck that supposedly lost against some one he had already beaten? and what has Orgus done to make his TK comparable? take down a few of the cave's supports and the rest just falls down THAT! that is ****ing comparable to moving a Large ****ing pillar, sending a boulder flying, Opening a Large ****ing door! ****ING THAT! 😆
The fact that he was able to become a Force Ghost also shows a certain level of power. Not that he is an exceptional fighter by any means, compared to the big leagues of his day, but Jaden has been shown to be above average at best in the feats you have shown
So Morgan Katarn becoming a force ghost shows a certain level of power too? Jaden was praised as one of the most promising Young jedi of the entire academy, Luke himself thought that his defeating Rosh and The Kathos twins was impressive enough for him to be quickly elevated to apprentice and later Jedi Knight. His feats are not "Above average" they are things only powerful jedi could ever reenact, don't bring you TOR mook and compare him to someone whose obviously above him.
And to be fair, Orgus' just as featless so I really don't care if he's bellow Jaden or not. We aren't talking about Din here, however, and my opinion from weeks ago does not pertain to now
Jaden? Featless! LOL okay, yeah sure, why not. Yeah because your opinion from weeks ago isn't relevant at all despite it showing how you quickly disregard anything I say. okay sure/
nor does it pertain to her defeating either of the people in this thread. And losing to the HoT is a sign of weakness in the samevein as losing to Revan made Malak weak. Or Luke losing to Palpatine, or Yoda fleeing from Sidious.
So the same could be said about Orgus din for losing to some one he had already beaten? or are we going for a double-standard here?
Finally, these people aren't weak because they lost to Jaden, the point is the feat isn't as impressive because they don't even have the in universe recognition, let alone the feats to back up that they are powerful.
So unless they have recognition...they will never seem impressive. Okay, Yeah, Flawed Logic seems Legit 👆
Not really. Quotes support you as much as they support Darach
Don't kid yourself Fan boy, You've yet to make a single argument that puts Darach on the same level as Jaden. Keep trying 😉
Originally posted by Emperor Vos
You know, calling the opposition a fanboy and throwing around laughing smileys probably isn't the best idea when you possess debating ability and objectivity on a similar level to Emperordmb.Spoiler:
Which means that your debating ability and objectivity does not exist.
The majority of your responses were "lol"
And some other things you said quite frequently were "you're MAD bias lol." "I'm the least bias person here." "Everyone else is mad bias." "Let's make a topic where we rate people's bias."
Originally posted by Emperor Vos
You know, calling the opposition a fanboy and throwing around laughing smileys probably isn't the best idea when you possess debating ability and objectivity on a similar level to Emperordmb.Spoiler:
Which means that your debating ability and objectivity does not exist.
This coming from the guy that calls Emperordmb and Darthant fanboys and can't debate anything without resorting to insults and blind stupidity.
Still you make a good point and unlike you i'll actually apologize to him when he responds, just because he has a different opinion than me doesn't mean I should be a "Jack"Ass like you
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
This coming from the guy that calls Emperordmb and Darthant fanboys and can't debate anything without resorting to insults and blind stupidity.Still you make a good point and unlike you i'll actually apologize to him when he responds, just because he has a different opinion than me doesn't mean I should be a "Jack"Ass like you