Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Thought you were ignoring me?It's impressive; however, do you think Dooku would be unsuccessful in TKing an Imperial Guard, given Dooku's TK feats? Especially if Dooku is on the same nexus, which would enhance him as well?
No, I said I might if you continue picking fights with me over that certain topic but I'm perfectly able to remain calm and continue discussing things with you outside of that. I still value your input, unlike that of certain other posters like carthage. Who I really should just put back on ignore tbh.
I think if he was in the same situation that Revan was, i.e. not enhanced by a nexus, he would be similarly unsuccessful. I don't consider Dooku's unamped feats any better than Revan's and we do have some evidence that Force Users such as Sidious are able to handle him with TK.
Also, would the power loaned to the IG be affected by a nexus?
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I said I might if you continue picking fights with me over that certain topic but I'm perfectly able to remain calm and continue discussing things with you outside of that. I still value your input, unlike that of certain other posters like carthage. Who I really should just put back on ignore tbh.I think if he was in the same situation that Revan was, i.e. not enhanced by a nexus, he would be similarly unsuccessful. I don't consider Dooku's unamped feats any better than Revan's and we do have some evidence that Force Users such as Sidious are able to handle him with TK.
Also, would the power loaned to the IG be affected by a nexus?
I don't pick fights with you. All I expect is for you to use the same standard you use to judge Dooku's feats to judge Vitiate's, or at least not get mad when I do.
That's my point Revan wasn't enhanced by a nexus, whereas Vitiate and his guards were. And yes the guards should be amped considering they are drawing from Vitiate's power who is a dark sider. Regardless, even if they weren't amped, a dark side nexus is stated to blunt a light sider's power.
My point is, that Vitiate somewhat struggled to subdue Revan, even though he almost killed him, whereas Sidious has casually gripped and choked Dooku from a vast distance of light years, and could have killed him. I don't see Vitiate pulling off that feat just because Sidious did.
Originally posted by Kotor3
He lost to Windu. This is pure speculation that Windu would not have killed him if Anakin never showed up.
He was out dueled by Windu. I never said anything to the contrary. I was trying to explain that Windu's intent, going to Palpatine's office, was to arrest him, not kill him. Windu telling Palpatine he was under arrest, then deciding he was too dangerous to be kept alive after being hit with a blast of Force lightning he had trouble blocking, reinforces it.
Originally posted by Kotor3
He ran from Yoda before the fight started. You are assumption is unfounded. He knew he could lose to Yoda. Looking at Sidious background, like killing his master while he was sleeping goes with his style of fighting those who he is threaten by.
I know it was an assumption, hence why I said "I believe". I never argued him running, I was pointing out that it could've been a tactical move, instead of him running scared.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate was so powerful he got put on his ass twice by Revan. Sidious force choked Dooku from a distance of lightyears, and easily subdued both Maul and Savage at the same time with TK alone. I don't see how Vitiate struggling to kill Revan while enhanced by a dark side nexus compares.Attempting to run from Yoda means nothing, considering they stalemated in their fight, with Yoda being the one who ended up running. Regardless, Yoda is more powerful than Vitiate. Also, Palpatine pretending to be weak in order to manipulate Anakin doesn't mean he actually needed his help.
Vitiate did not struggle with Revan at all and you know this. I disagree that Yoda is more powerful than Vitiate. Pretending to manipulate does change that if Anakin never came he mostly likely would have died.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
He was out dueled by Windu. I never said anything to the contrary. I was trying to explain that Windu's intent, going to Palpatine's office, was to arrest him, not kill him. Windu telling Palpatine he was under arrest, then deciding he was too dangerous to be kept alive after being hit with a blast of Force lightning he had trouble blocking, reinforces it.I know it was an assumption, hence why I said "I believe". I never argued him running, I was pointing out that it could've been a tactical move, instead of him running scared.
Ok. I can't say I agree. Windu initially did not mean to kill Palpatine but that definitely changed after all his comrades died.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Ok. I can't say I agree. Windu initially did not mean to kill Palpatine but that definitely changed after all his comrades died.
I would argue that Windu was still planning on taking him into custody, until Palpatine attacked with lightning (which he struggled to block with his saber), showing Windu he was a far more dangerous threat than even he realized.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
I would argue that Windu was still planning on taking him into custody, until Palpatine attacked with lightning (which he struggled to block with his saber), showing Windu he was a far more dangerous threat than even he realized.
It is a sound point that could definitely be possible. My whole point of making my initial statement was that DE Sidious would in no way lost to Windu neither do I see Vitiate.
Vitiate and ROTS Sidious are not equals in my opinion.
Originally posted by Kotor3
It is a sound point that could definitely be possible. My whole point of making my initial statement was that DE Sidious would in no way lost to Windu neither do I see Vitiate.Vitiate and ROTS Sidious are not equals in my opinion.
Fair enough. I would put Vitiate somewhere between ROTS Sidious and DE Sidious.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I wouldn't. RotJ Sidious already knows everything that makes DE Sidious the second strongest character in the mythos. His mobility may be lacking, but since Vitiate has zero of that shown anyway, I doubt it matters.
Maybe I missed something, but where is DE Sidious listed as the second strongest character in the mythos? He's the most powerful Sith Lord, sure, but the Father, Son, Daughter, Abeloth, and Luke Skywalker are all above him.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Maybe I missed something, but where is DE Sidious listed as the second strongest character in the mythos? He's the most powerful Sith Lord, sure, but the Father, Son, Daughter, Abeloth, and Luke Skywalker are all above him.