Originally posted by golem370
Carver didn't you say WWH herld back during the arch if so it wasn't high end. Thor would been owned by the team of Avengers that Savage Hulk held if he try to fist fight them.
He was holding back which makes his fts even more interesting. You can hold back and still have high ends.
Originally posted by carver9
Even if we focus on the high end, Thor is still being stabbed through, but the comparison between both showings is different. I need some concrete proof that Thor can live through numerous of adamantium spikes to the brain.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And still you're assuming that he would have to tank the same thing. He has way too many options. He can easily blow them all away with weather manip, he can obliterate them with multiple lightning shots, or he can destroy them all with one guided hammer throw. He has too many options. Simple really...
Same scenario as WWH, Correct? Blowing planes out the sky would kill them. Hulk didn't kill which means in this scenario, Thor will not kill. They will be able to get off their 'sneak attack' shot (remember, Thor is in every situation Hulk was in) which would more than likely kill him. This is simple.
Originally posted by carver9
I see that you are focusing on some of Thors best? Gotcha
Do you think that if say, Aaron, was to write a story about the Illuminati killing his family and he returned angrier then ever to beat up all of Earth's heroes, we'd somehow get a weak portrayal of Thor or something?
Sometimes you make no sense.....
I think the point of this thread is to examine if Thor can succeed or not facing the same threats as World War Hulk (Whether he tanks the Adamantium bullets or deflects them with Mjolnir is just details imo.).
The answer is a resounding yes, including taking on the Sentry.
As a matter of fact, he'd be an even worse threat than Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Like I've stated before, proof has been posted, don't know what else you need. He isn't tanking head shots, internal shots, etc, and still be ok. Sorry, it a in happening. By the way, what showings of Thor does he have that proves he can tank adamantium bullets let alone withstand a barrage of them. Everything you've shown, he was damaged. What showing does he have that proves he can survive those bullets to the brain?
Feats have been posted.
Originally posted by carver9
Getting shot?Are you crazy or something? Look at this.
http://s94.photobucket.com/user/priest_85/media/AA-WWH03-007-08.jpg.html
This isn't a single bullet, he is getting shot by high caliber weapons in the back of the head, back, legs, etc, with adamantium bullets. Let's put it like this, Phoenix Emma did THIS, and it dropped him.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/zoneempire019_zps17d60ff0.jpg.html
To the point that this happened...
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/zoneempire020_zps2fcb1fb8.jpg.html
The first set will take him out...the second set is the killing blow (if he isn't already dead). I understand you like Thor and dislike the Hulk, lol, but you don't have anything to fall back on. Nothing. Also, Strange was mind raping Hulk as well which leaves Thor ripped up to shreds body, even more vulnerable.
How can you think that Thor surviving a barrage like that from Phoenix Force Emma, and even taking a brutal physical beating, is evidence that he won't be able to survive the Adamantium bullets?
Compared to that attack, an Adamantium barrage is a refreshing shower. Emma's pieces would fall with far more force/power behind them then mere military equipment.
Thor chronologically appears soon after in the main AvX title IIRC and is completely fine.
AND that's considered a low showing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How many times Thor has been endangered by bullets? A dozen?Why block bullets then? He has been pierced by bullets and he blocks them.
That's like taking whatever damage Wonder Woman has taken and saying she is bulletproof. Comics rarely work like that. Even under Roy Thomas who writes the most durable Thor period, bullets left welts on his skin.
If it pierces Hulk's skin, its piercing Thor's skin. No two ways about it.
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If you mean him blocking bullets, then more. But that doesn't in itself mean what you are suggesting.
He was pierced once. They bounced off other times.
I'm not going to pretend Thor wasn't vulnerable (It never hurt him on panel, but to argue he wasn't would make me a Superman fan) but the idea that he's vulnerable to bullets has been progressively dying off since the early 70's when he withstood artillery shells etc. if not earlier.
If the damage is piercing based, why shouldn't it count? Why does Thor resisting Wolverine's claws or even worse, taking attacks from the Disir or the Destroyer not sufficient evidence. And? Also, the most durable? Why?
Maybe, maybe not. Thor could shrug them off, or he could be hurt and tank it. Neither scenario, is impossible, or even unlikely if we use a high end version of Thor. Or at this point, a regular version of Thor in his own comic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its still canon. So is this.If anything today his piercing resistance is complete shit. Heck, normal spears can run him through. He has great stamina about piercing attacks though.
I never doubted their canonicity but you can't seem to recognize Thor's growth in the department of bullet invulnerability.
Modern comics are far more bloody but to say his piercing durability is shit when some of his greatest feats have been accumulated in modern decades is dumb. Even invulnerable characters like Superman/Gladiator are hurt far easier nowadays.
When did a normal spear run him through?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you think that if say, Aaron, was to write a story about the Illuminati killing his family and he returned angrier then ever to beat up all of Earth's heroes, we'd somehow get a weak portrayal of Thor or something?Sometimes you make no sense.....
I think the point of this thread is to examine if Thor can succeed or not facing the same threats as World War Hulk (Whether he tanks the Adamantium bullets or deflects them with Mjolnir is just details imo.).
The answer is a resounding yes, including taking on the Sentry.
As a matter of fact, he'd be an even worse threat than Hulk.
Feats have been posted.
How can you think that Thor surviving a barrage like that from Phoenix Force Emma, and even taking a brutal physical beating, is evidence that he won't be able to survive the Adamantium bullets?
Compared to that attack, an Adamantium barrage is a refreshing shower. Emma's pieces would fall with far more force/power behind them then mere military equipment.
Thor chronologically appears soon after in the main AvX title IIRC and is completely fine.
AND that's considered a low showing.
Gotcha. So you think Thor is enduring Adamantium bullets while at the same time getting mind attacked by Strange in Astral form? Yeah right. Aron Thor has been pierced on many of occasion and an adamantium spear, many of them would more than likely kill him, especially with him fighting off Strange attacking him. Even though Thor is pierced, we don't ignore what has happened to him.
Lol, Thor isn't withstanding this....
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh018.jpg.html
...While fighting Sentry. Aint happening. Especially for a prolong amount of time. Thor taking a blast or two, yeah, but him swimming in this stuff while taking blasts and punches simultaneously, can't see it.
I showed the Phoenix showing because it proves that if he is pierced like I know he will be pierced from those shrapnel, he is out just like he was out when Emma Diamond parts went through him (not in the head either).
Never said he wouldnt heal from chest wounds. What I asked was, can he heal with adamantium spikes in his brain.
Why is it a low showing when Thor has been stabbed through after that? Even during one of his most powerful showings. I'm trying to understand why you don't think Adamantium would pierce/go straight through him. Adamantium from a prepped military that is aware of who they are fighting. I'm shocked, especially while Strange is mind raping him in Astral form at the same time.
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. So you think Thor is enduring Adamantium bullets while at the same time getting mind attacked by Strange in Astral form? Yeah right. Aron Thor has been pierced on many of occasion and an adamantium spear, many of them would more than likely kill him, especially with him fighting off Strange attacking him. Even though Thor is pierced, we don't ignore what has happened to him.
Why does Thor have to be in the exact same position as the Hulk? We for example have evidence suggesting that Strange can't even play on the same level as Thor mentally when the Odinson is enraged.
Stop assuming Thor is the f*cking Hulk and is as limited as he is.
And no, they won't necessarily kill him.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol, Thor isn't withstanding this....http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh018.jpg.html
...While fighting Sentry. Aint happening. Especially for a prolong amount of time. Thor taking a blast or two, yeah, but him swimming in this stuff while taking blasts and punches simultaneously, can't see it.
You can't see Thor withstanding a powerful energy barrage?
Have you seen some of the shit Thor's tanked or endured? How could you possibly think that is beyond his capabilities?
Nevermind that he has Mjolnir of all things on him.
Originally posted by carver9
I showed the Phoenix showing because it proves that if he is pierced like I know he will be pierced from those shrapnel, he is out just like he was out when Emma Diamond parts went through him (not in the head either).Never said he would heal from chest wounds. What I asked was, can he heal with adamantium spikes in his brain.
First of all, how does being pierced by a Phoenix empowered Emma mean that Adamantium bullets will cut him? I mean, if you think they will, that's whatever, but how on earth does a fight against such a character support your stance?
Thor was still conscious, and what makes you think none of them struck his brain? That shit literally fell from the sky and rained down across a huge area.
Originally posted by carver9
Why is it a low showing when Thor has been stabbed through after that? Even during one of his most powerful showings. I'm trying to understand why you don't think Adamantium would pierce/go straight through him. Adamantium from a prepped military that is aware of who they are fighting. I'm shocked, especially while Strange is mind raping him in Astral form at the same time.
Thor could have put up a better fight and should have deflected those shards imo. Them piercing him in of itself isn't horrible. She was one of the Phoenix Five afterall.
I'm not denying that there is evidence suggesting they can tear him up. Thor's record against bullets isn't spotless. But what you don't seem to understand is that there evidence suggesting he can survive if not straight up tank these attacks.
Which is probably more relevant in a thread about World War Thor. If he was half as wanked as Hulk, he'd eat the bullets and spit them back out.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why does Thor have to be in the exact same position as the Hulk? We for example have evidence suggesting that Strange can't even play on the same level as Thor mentally when the Odinson is enraged.Stop assuming Thor is the f*cking Hulk and is as limited as he is.
And no, they won't necessarily kill him.
You can't see Thor withstanding a powerful energy barrage?
Have you seen some of the shit Thor's tanked or endured? How could you possibly think that is beyond his capabilities?
Nevermind that he has Mjolnir of all things on him.
First of all, how does being pierced by a Phoenix empowered Emma mean that Adamantium bullets will cut him? I mean, if you think they will, that's whatever, but how on earth does a fight against such a character support your stance?
Thor was still conscious, and what makes you think none of them struck his brain? That shit literally fell from the sky and rained down across a huge area.
Thor could have put up a better fight and should have deflected those shards imo. Them piercing him in of itself isn't horrible. She was one of the Phoenix Five afterall.
I'm not denying that there is evidence suggesting they can tear him up. Thor's record against bullets isn't spotless. But what you don't seem to understand is that there evidence suggesting he can survive if not straight up tank these attacks.
Which is probably more relevant in a thread about World War Thor. If he was half as wanked as Hulk, he'd eat the bullets and spit them back out.
Lol...Thor ripping her to shreds proves that the Phoenix wasn't adding anything to her durability. He ripped apart A DIAMOND form and the Phoenix portion assisted in putting her back together. It was Diamond shards that went through him, just like it was Diamond that he shattered with a hit.
Yes, he was conscious but what if Diamond kept raining down on him? Also, they showed his face and it didn't have a hole in it like the rest of his body.
No, I can't see Thor consistently tanking a tornado full of energy while going fist cuff, while also getting blasted in the face by one of the most powerful beings in MU. No, I can't see that. Even during that time Sentry was the most powerful being on the planet, easily, and Thor isn't going to sit there and endure an ongoing assault like that while at the same time, trying to succeed at taking Sentry out, just like Sentry isn't sitting in one spot tanking attacks from Surfer or Thor either. That's retarded to think otherwise.
I've seen some of the things Thor endured just like I've seen some of the things Savage Hulk, Surfer, and Sentry endured but neither is tanking an attack from the other, especially not the kind of attacks Sentry was throwing around simultaneously.
WTF. Show me some scans of Thor even coming close to moving his limbs fast enough to deflect attacks like that from an entire army. This isn't the Flash we are talking about here. Come on rage.
Lol...so Thor can resist a prepped Strange attacking him? You are a trip Rage. I'm about to give up because debating you vs Thor is pointless. I love the character as well but f***, he does have limits.
But you are denying it though. You are literally ignoring Thor being pierced by less than adamantium objects and are literally sitting here telling me that he can probably tank it while slapping bullets out of the air from an entire freaking army. Are you crazy or something? He is getting hit brother.
I agree, if he or any character had Pak with them, then of course they could probably live through what Hulk went through but until then...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, its not a scene by scene remake, as confirmed by LoB. Thus, Thor clears this as he is way more versatile AND willing to use his versatility.Admantium bullets? Never happen, as Thor is never in thatbposiiton to be shredded.
You lose.
Lol... so we get to remake the story the way we want? Well, this Isn't WWH story then. He need to retitle it.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... so we get to remake the story the way we want? Well, this Isn't WWH story then. He need to retitle it.
Respectfully, Carver, your criticism makes absolutely no sense.
As per my original post, Thor faces EVERY combatant and scenario that Banner faced in WORLD WAR HULK.
Your insistance that the Odinson DEAL with every one of these circumstances EXACTLY the way Hulk did is both irrational and illegitimate.
You dismiss the points of World War Hulk that diminishes The Hulk's status in the arc, while simultaneously forcing the worst showings of Thor to augment the others.
If you don't know what I'm talking about look at your debate with Josh over the Sentry vs Hulk battle.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn👆
Respectfully, Carver, your criticism makes absolutely no sense.As per my original post, Thor faces EVERY combatant and scenario that Banner faced in WORLD WAR HULK.
Your insistance that the Odinson DEAL with every one of these circumstances EXACTLY the way Hulk did is both irrational and illegitimate.
You dismiss the points of World War Hulk that diminishes The Hulk's status in the arc, while simultaneously forcing the worst showings of Thor to augment the others.
If you don't know what I'm talking about look at your debate with Josh over the Sentry vs Hulk battle.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Respectfully, Carver, your criticism makes absolutely no sense.As per my original post, Thor faces EVERY combatant and scenario that Banner faced in WORLD WAR HULK.
Your insistance that the Odinson DEAL with every one of these circumstances EXACTLY the way Hulk did is both irrational and illegitimate.
You dismiss the points of World War Hulk that diminishes The Hulk's status in the arc, while simultaneously forcing the worst showings of Thor to augment the others.
If you don't know what I'm talking about look at your debate with Josh over the Sentry vs Hulk battle.
Gotcha. So he's aware of the military coming, which isn't what happened in WWH. Which is the reason the fight went the way it did. He's aware of Strange mind attacking him. He's aware of Sentry trying to sneak attack him before it happened. Majority of the things that happened to Hulk were caught off guard moments. If the scenario isn't the same then why title it Hulk.
As for the thread. Before the military get into the planes, Thor rain down lightning on them. No helicopters, or tanks, no need for him to fight them. Thor visits Strange before this and rain lightning down on him which prevents the mind attacks from happening. Herc and the crew shows up hut wait, Thor isn't there, he is sky high raining the power of a tornados and Thunder from the heavens.
He wants Professor but doesn't want to fight. He teleport in, grabs Professor and leaves. Sentry shows up but guess what, Thor is aware and simply opens a portal which takes Sentry to the pits of hell.
Thor clears. Waste of thread.
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. So he's aware of the military coming, which isn't what happened in WWH. Which is the reason the fight went the way it did. He's aware of Strange mind attacking him. He's aware of Sentry trying to sneak attack him before it happened. Majority of the things that happened to Hulk were caught off guard moments. If the scenario isn't the same then why title it Hulk.As for the thread. Before the military get into the planes, Thor rain down lightning on them. No helicopters, or tanks, no need for him to fight them. Thor visits Strange before this and rain lightning down on him which prevents the mind attacks from happening. Herc and the crew shows up hut wait, Thor isn't there, he is sky high raining the power of a tornados and Thunder from the heavens.
He wants Professor but doesn't want to fight. He teleport in, grabs Professor and leaves. Sentry shows up but guess what, Thor is aware and simply opens a portal which takes Sentry to the pits of hell.
Thor clears. Waste of thread.
Again, you're missing the point.
If Banner is unaware, so is Thor.
If there is prep against Banner, there is prep against Thor.
No one, most importantly, ME, set up the premise that you've provided above.
What you appear to want as evidenced by your responses is for Thor to be a Blonde Hulk and use brute strength in every encounter.
If I'm wrong, please correct me.
