Blue Marvel VS Majestic: TO THE DEATH

Originally posted by Delta1938
Equal speed? REALLY? Either you're wrong, or Adam had some major speed feats in the few appearances after his limited series.

He possesses super speed, it has not been determined if he possesses the ability to move at the speed of light though, and this is according to Marvel. Adam fought against the Anti man. Sentry, and King Hyperion. All of these guys, possess super speed so there is that. I am just assuming that the guys that he fought were fighting with super speed, but there were no blur lines to actually indicate that they were moving at accelerated speeds. Are you willing to bet that he does not have the ability to move at super speed?

Originally posted by Stoic
He possesses super speed, it has not been determined if he possesses the ability to move at the speed of light though, and this is according to Marvel. Adam fought against the Anti man. Sentry, and King Hyperion. All of these guys, possess super speed so there is that. I am just assuming that the guys that he fought were fighting with super speed, but there were no blur lines to actually indicate that they were moving at accelerated speeds. Are you willing to bet that he does not have the ability to move at super speed?

Fighting someone who has super speed isn't proof they have super speed. Maybe Adam does have combat/operational super speed, but those examples do not prove it. And Majestic has done research and invented an object to remove molecules from a wall in very, very little. Talked about his "long nanoseconds of research" or something like that.

Originally posted by Stoic
He possesses super speed, it has not been determined if he possesses the ability to move at the speed of light though, and this is according to Marvel. Adam fought against the Anti man. Sentry, and King Hyperion. All of these guys, possess super speed so there is that. I am just assuming that the guys that he fought were fighting with super speed, but there were no blur lines to actually indicate that they were moving at accelerated speeds. Are you willing to bet that he does not have the ability to move at super speed?

That's.....like saying Deathstroke has Flash-level speed.

This is what Delta is referring to. Doesn't mean he built it in nanoseconds at all, though.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Fighting someone who has super speed isn't proof they have super speed. Maybe Adam does have combat/operational super speed, but those examples do not prove it. And Majestic has done research and invented an object to remove molecules from a wall in very, very little. Talked about his "long nanoseconds of research" or something like that.

This thread is a waste of my time due to Adam's low feat count. Since Majestic has not made his debut in the DCnU he wins by feats for now. Or has he debuted? There will come a time when I am more capable of answering these questions for certain. As of now Majestic wins due to more feats, but understand this, He would be messed up, and his performance against Union makes me want to hand Adam the victory.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's.....like saying Deathstroke has Flash-level speed.

This is what Delta is referring to. Doesn't mean he built it in nanoseconds at all, though.

I don't remember the exact quote, but was citing to give context on his research to him was long. But I dunno if it's just me, but your scan isn't working. I don't see anything in your post, but I quote it and I get a link, and the link doesn't work for me.

It's a pig

Originally posted by Delta1938
Fighting someone who has super speed isn't proof they have super speed. Maybe Adam does have combat/operational super speed, but those examples do not prove it. And Majestic has done research and invented an object to remove molecules from a wall in very, very little. Talked about his "long nanoseconds of research" or something like that.

Let me ask you a question real quick. What proof is there that DOS Doomsday had super speed? Is it because he fought Superman, and kept up with him punch for punch? Didn't I say that Adam kept up with Hyperion who like Superman also possesses super speed? If so why is it okay for one, but not the other?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's.....like saying Deathstroke has Flash-level speed.

This is what Delta is referring to. Doesn't mean he built it in nanoseconds at all, though.

No he can actually move fast, not make feints, and target to score on his opponent. Deathstroke can not be compared to Adam. Let's not sink to that level.

Originally posted by Stoic
Let me ask you a question real quick. What proof is there that DOS Doomsday had super speed? Is it because he fought Superman, and kept up with him punch for punch? Didn't I say that Adam kept up with Hyperion who like Superman also possesses super speed? If so why is it okay for one, but not the other?

Also Booster Gold commented he had Flash level speed.

Doomsday has superspeed.

Tbf though Booster Gold's statement should be taken in the same way as Spider-man's on Sentry 's stalemate of Galactus.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Doomsday has superspeed.

Tbf though Booster Gold's statement should be taken in the same way as Spider-man's on Sentry 's stalemate of Galactus.

Reported for doubting Booster's word.

😈

On topic I'd give the edge to BM.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also Booster Gold commented he had Flash level speed.

Did you ever see DOS Doomsday move like the Flash?

Originally posted by Stoic
Did you ever see DOS Doomsday move like the Flash?

Yes, several times.
He was hundreds of feet away from the Justice League in one instance and in an instant he is seen hitting the entire team SIMULTANEOUSLY. Superman, the guy who can see bullets in still motion, COMPLAINED OF HIS SPEED and basically suggesting that he's too fast for him to react to.

Then Guy (a lantern that has superhuman reflexes) said DD moved so fast that he couldn't even see him move. How do you move faster than a herald can see you move and not have superspeed?

It was the writer's intent that DD was fast as flash. How else could the writer had portrayed DD with flash like speed? How would you created a character to have flash like speed and display it on panel?

Later, it is understood why DD has flashlike speed (He's part Kryptonian).

If he was so fast, why did it take him so long to reach Metropolis? My point here is that never once was DOS Doomsday seen moving in a blur of motion, Hyperion, Sentry, and Anti Man, alll had super speed, but the only way that I am supposed to prove this is by citing a blurring effect while they move. Gladiator also possesses super speed movement, and he fought a Hyperion. We know from the Exiles that all Hyperions in all realities possess super speed, but since the fight that King Hyperion had with the Blue Marvel did not show blurring speed lines we should believe that he like DOS Doomsday possess none? Marvel states that Adam has super speed. What are we arguing here? Should I wait until they show Adam moving with blur lines to then come and shove in in your face? Are we going to have a circular argument over this for 3-4 pages when Marvel says that Adam possesses super speed?

Originally posted by Stoic
If he was so fast, why did it take him so long to reach Metropolis? My point here is that never once was DOS Doomsday seen moving in a blur of motion, Hyperion, Sentry, and Anti Man, alll had super speed, but the only way that I am supposed to prove this is by citing a blurring effect while they move. Gladiator also possesses super speed movement, and he fought a Hyperion. We know from the Exiles that all Hyperions in all realities possess super speed, but since the fight that King Hyperion had with the Blue Marvel did not show blurring speed lines we should believe that he like DOS Doomsday possess none? Marvel states that Adam has super speed. What are we arguing here? Should I wait until they show Adam moving with blur lines to then come and shove in in your face? Are we going to have a circular argument over this for 3-4 pages when Marvel says that Adam possesses super speed?

Everyone here believes BM is faster than a human. We just can't give him class A level speed without definite proof. Otherwise, any slow super strong brick would be considered super fast from all the times they fought beings with super speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Comics have inconsistencies all the time. That doesn't mean we are allowed to ignore a character's feat proving that they have a specific power.
He jumped to Metropolis, which he covered 50 miles in a single bound. I believe this is many times the speed of sound (much faster than bullets). I have to calculate it.
Blur lines isn't the only proof of super speed. Characters statements, distance vs. time feats, etc. all are evidence. Fighting beings who have superspeed IS NOT EVIDENCE since characters CAN FIGHT WITHOUT USING THEIR SPEED at times.
DD was shown to move fast, we have characters statements supporting that he moved faster than they can see, we have DD jumping vast distances (which require a very large initial velocity), etc.

Everyone here believes BM is faster than a human. We just can't give him class A level speed without definite proof. Otherwise, any slow super strong brick would be considered super fast from all the times they fought beings with super speed.

Apply everything that you just stated but omit Doomsday, and place the Blue Marvel in his place. Do you need blur lines to know that a character has super speed when they said that he has super speed in his bio? Or when he fights other characters with super speed? I think it's pretty hypocritical to suggest that Doomsday has super speed because he fought Superman, and act as if the Blue Marvel does not have it as well when he fought Hyperion, Anti Man, and the Sentry. From what I saw all of the above were trying to defeat Adam. Should I believe that if they were trying so hard to beat him they turned around and refused to use super speed that they have? Like I said, what are you arguing here? Are you just trying to be contrary because you can? Does the Flash use super speed when he is trying to win, or does he fight a slower opponent on their level to give them an opportunity to win?

Originally posted by Stoic
Apply everything that you just stated but omit Doomsday, and place the Blue Marvel in his place. Do you need blur lines to know that a character has super speed when they said that he has super speed in his bio? Or when he fights other characters with super speed? I think it's pretty hypocritical to suggest that Doomsday has super speed because he fought Superman, and act as if the Blue Marvel does not have it as well when he fought Hyperion, Anti Man, and the Sentry. From what I saw all of the above were trying to defeat Adam. Should I believe that if they were trying so hard to beat him they turned around and refused to use super speed that they have? Like I said, what are you arguing here? Are you just trying to be contrary because you can? Does the Flash use super speed when he is trying to win, or does he fight a slower opponent on their level to give them an opportunity to win?

I believe he has Superspeed. Everyone here does. What's the problem? But to give him grade A superspeed without strong evidence is utter fail.
There are many different levels of superspeed. Cap level, Spidey level, super sonic, orbital, light speed, warp speed, etc. Just having superspeed doesn't prove much.

Why ignore my entire post? Almost as if you are trolling. I stated DD was shown to move at superspeed, stated to move at superspeed, and has a jumping feat that proves he can move at superspeed. Thus it had nothing to do with him fighting Superman. It had everything to do with what Superman SAID (He moved too fast for him to react). This is strong as hell evidence and clearly shows the writer's intentions.

Characters with superspeed many times don't use their speed against enemies in comics. Otherwise, the comic would be very short. Any super strong brick has fought and did well against beings with superspeed in comics consistently. So fighting someone who has the power of superspeed doesn't automatically give you superspeed. It depends on if the character is actually shown using their speed (since writers have often chosen to ignore that power to create plot).

Yeah....because every character who has superspeed or at least shown they possess it, ALWAYS apply & use it in fights.

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe he has Superspeed. Everyone here does. What's the problem? But to give him grade A superspeed without strong evidence is utter fail.
There are many different levels of superspeed. Cap level, Spidey level, super sonic, orbital, light speed, warp speed, etc. Just having superspeed doesn't prove much.

Why ignore my entire post? Almost as if you are trolling. I stated DD was shown to move at superspeed, stated to move at superspeed, and has a jumping feat that proves he can move at superspeed. Thus it had nothing to do with him fighting Superman. It had everything to do with what Superman SAID (He moved too fast for him to react). This is strong as hell evidence and clearly shows the writer's intentions.

Characters with superspeed many times don't use their speed against enemies in comics. Otherwise, the comic would be very short. Any super strong brick has fought and did well against beings with superspeed in comics consistently. So fighting someone who has the power of superspeed doesn't automatically give you superspeed. It depends on if the character is actually shown using their speed (since writers have often chosen to ignore that power to create plot).

Why are you so intent on gimping Adam? The Sentry, and King Hyperion both have grade A super speed. Adam defeated them, and unless you want to call the feat PIS, he was able to go blow for blow with them, this alone is evidence. You can't give Doomsday grade A super speed just from character statements, but you can give him this if he shows that he can go blow for blow with someone that does. The same applies for Adam. And there was an official statement on him as well. I mean who are you to say that he does not, when he fought these guys and won? The only thing that they said was that they were unsure if he could attain the speed of light, which is fast as hell alone. Doomsday would have gotten to Metropolis in an instant if he was near light speed, or had Flash like speed. What you want to do is give the okay for one, but scrutinize the other, and cover this up with where is the proof. I ask you the same question, where is the proof that Doomsday had Flash level speed when it took him that long to get to Metropolis? Oh I guess we should ignore that, and stick only to character statements, which isn't the end all be all. Sentry was seen moving at super speed several times, as was several versions if Hyperion, So now you want me to buy the idea that they were trying to win, only to reduce their grade A speed down to grade B-D or even F for fail speed? Again, why are you trying so hard to gimp Adam?