Originally posted by Philosophía
My guidelines? Bran, do you even remember your argument, why you brought up Thor being able to destroy planets? It was because you tried to make a point about how he and Superman have basically equivalent strength feats [Superman bench-pressing Earth and Thor being capable of destroying it], and thus any of them could conceivably replicate the other's feat. I'll even quote you on it:
The problem is that you were [b]wrong. The Beta Ray Bill feat you brought up implies a shitload of other factors besides strength, like: trans-light momentum bullrushing of a celestial body alongside another fighter in an energy engulfed 'projectile.That does not even belong in the same world as Superman bench-pressing the Earth. In that situation, velocity and durability is much more important than pure strength. Beta Ray Bill's feat [and by proxy, Thor's] doesn't imply the strength necessary to bench-press a planet, no matter how hard you'd want it, in order for him and Superman to be in the same class.
In other words, your argument is non-existent, in this case. You have none.[/B]
Yes your guidelines. And I know what I said, and unlike you, I am still sticking to what I stated then. It's just that with your eyes closed approach to what you'll respond to you must have missed... 3/4's of it.
However, this is separate from the prior statements I said in your quote. Since as I stated before... in my last post exactly, that the Beta example was brought up purely because you stated Thor can't destroy the Earth. Which you tried to completely squirm out of with every fiber of your being. It couldn't simply be because you're wrong, no, it's because Beta can destroy Earth or a planet, but only if it follows what you make up, and are continuing to.
Like I said, quote:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And yet you continue to argue about it like you have a case. I don't care if he used speed. You outright stated twice Thor can't destroy planets in two separate posts. I brought up additional proof of Thor being able to, then you just acted like it didn't count because it didn't follow "Phildo's Guide to Anything That Isn't Superman".
Let's do a play by play of this event:
"Thor can't destroy Earth"
*Thor and Beta destroying a planet*
"Well he destroyed a planet... but he didn't do it in this way!"Which is completely not the point. Beta was brought up to backup Thor destroying a planet. Nothing more nothing less. Though I like how you're selecting pieces of my post while ignoring the vast majority of it just so you can repeat yourself like you have a point. How about you quote this:
Which is hilarious that you actually ignored this.
But to reiterate because you're apparently blinded by hate, the Beta example is not being used in a way that you quoted in my initial post. Beta was simply to combat your stupidity of saying Thor can't destroy a planet. Like I stated over and over and over again.
Thor destroying a planet however is proof my quoted post you flocked to. It's separate instances. Unlike you, I'm actually trying to cover all topics, and just because you think gleefully ignoring things that actually cover the topics is proof of the opposition having no point, that doesn't mean I strayed off path.
Although if I was Phildo, I would have simply ignored that entire section and just pretended something like this existed:
Originally posted by Philosophía
The problem is that you were [b]wrong. [/B]
And acted like that's all you said. Because that's how you prove a point to someone. Ignore them actually addressing their point.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Holy shit, Bran, so you're saying that the circled panel here doesn't show him shitting himself with effort, just because there's another scene where he lends off the same scream in another circumstance?
He's with his eyes closed, grinding his teeth and lending a scream as he pushes to get the part of the moon back in place.
According to Bran logic? That's just a standard scream.
You've gone full retard.
From this point on, at least in this thread, I'll be calling you Brarver.
Well, let's follow your guidelines here for shitting oneself:
Here is the "HHHHHRRRRGGHHH!" you yourself use to indicate a different level of struggle from the Hyperion scene:
That was not the finishing blow in a fight that lasted hours. Later Thor would go on to one shot them without the "HHHHHRRRRGGHHH!". Naturally this is the limit of Thor... a "HHHHHRRRRGGHHH!". So it makes no sense that he would kill them with one shot without that, but he would land a "HHHHHRRRRGGHHH!" on one without a kill shot? Perhaps you can answer that.
Here he is eyes closed with seemingly a lot of effort behind it breaking a chain:
Naturally again, this is the limit, or close to the limit of Thor's power. Again, your argument.
Here he is seeming to expend a lot of effort with a hammer swing with lightning behind it that the hand of the Berserker tanks. Also interesting is him gritting his teeth trying to wrestle it.
Naturally again, close to Thor's limit. This is the same Berserker as my earlier scan. Also, him gritting his teeth and wrestling the Berserker ended with him getting tossed back hard in the next panel.
Here he is switching things up with a "RRRRGGGHHH!" and nearly eyes closed hitting Ulik in the face, which as you'll notice, Ulik is still awake.
What's interesting about that one is that his facial structure and use of screams was something that was missing when he was shattering worlds. Which by your logic would make these hammer hits... harder? Well, that doesn't make much sense to me but if you insist I guess we'll go with that.
Now I'm curious if I should include the 50 or so "HHHHHRRRRGGHHH!" in the comics. Though you'll ignore that much like you ignored the jumping "HHHHHRRRRGGHHH!" even though that exactly showed that it was a standard scream.
And what I'm saying is that yes, Thor tried, maybe even really hard, but that in no way means that was the limit of Thor's power. And even if it was the limit of Thor's power, he pushed the moon together immediately. There was no struggle over time. There was no Thor pushing for minutes, or hours. It was just Thor expending effort and pushing the moon back together in seconds.
Now, since at least one of us has to not pretend this hasn't already been answered:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
However, addressing the actual scream "point". He did the same Goddamned thing flying through the air. OMG, he must have been trying his hardest jumping through the air. How does Thor even walk?
And a scream when you [b]immediately push a moon together doesn't imply a limit. Especially when he does so before Gorr even reaches him. Because that's what you're using to lowball Thor here, something he did in what seconds?
This is the sequence:Thor shatters worlds and a nearby moon while fighting Gorr.
Thor disengages Gorr to fly to said moon.
Thor pushes the moon together, and heals it in three panels.
Thor flies off while being worshipped.
Gorr arrives speeding by and cuts of Thor.
But Thor yelled out the same way he did when he jumped through the air like a ****ing cat, so naturally he hit his limit. That's your argument apparently. Naturally you would tell me Superman benching the planet's weight and then only hitting with mountain destroying punches WAS OMG THAT WAS NO WHERE NEAR HIS LIMIT OMG HATERS, OMG I'M GOING TO SPAM THE OWNAGE THREAD FOR LIKE 20 PAGES DEFENDING THIS!
Which is what I find cute about this little red herring here. You're basically inviting people to downplay the planet benching feat in favor of mountain destroying punches. Be my guest though, I don't give a shit.
In case you're still playing dumb, yelling/grunting/screaming doesn't establish a limit... especially when they do it quickly quickly quickly. Maybe if he sat there and struggled for a while you'd have a point, but... he didn't.[/B]
Nice little hissy fit though. I'd say good reading comprehension too, but that's assuming your mind didn't just black out everytime you read something that you couldn't answer.
