Originally posted by Firefly218Wade? Sure. Weapon X? Not so much. Wade and Weapon X are not the same.
Wade can teleport, and has reflexes equal to spiderman. Even with sabers, spidey ain't gettin no decap
Wade wasn't getting touched by a hailstorm of bullets from 8 AK-47 wielding henchmen who all fired simultaneously. He didn't dodge one. He blocked every single shot. Weapon X was getting tagged, parried, and dodged by Wolverine and Sabretooth.
Weapon X has two adamantium blades that unsheathe from his arm, as opposed to two swords he caries around. He also has teleportation abilities, optic blasts, a healing factor, and some pretty good agility.
He never once showcased his abilities post-transformation. Its seems to me that the experimentation that completely changed him in every way resulted in him loosing his own abilities. We cant say Weapon X has reflexes equal to Wade or Spidey when he never once showcased it.
Originally posted by PlacidityI disagree. He clearly looked at the last bullet, turned around, and sliced it in half. It moved maybe 2 feet in that time.
Even though he blocked all the bullets, he never moved at superhuman speed (arm speed easily measurable so don't argue).
And I don't care how fast his arms looked like they were going prior to that, he stopped a f*ckton on bullets from AKs. Not one went through. You can chalk that up to bad filming if you like, but don't even attempt to argue that that's not superhuman. Unless you're willing to post a video of you doing the same at normal speeds, he moved at superhuman speed.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I disagree. He clearly looked at the last bullet, turned around, and sliced it in half. It moved maybe 2 feet in that time.And I don't care how fast his arms looked like they were going prior to that, he stopped a f*ckton on bullets from AKs. Not one went through. You can chalk that up to bad filming if you like, but don't even attempt to argue that that's not superhuman. Unless you're willing to post a video of you doing the same at normal speeds, he moved at superhuman speed.
He moved as fast as Ryan Reynolds could in real life. Ryan Reynolds is a human.
I made a post on this very thing before. You can argue both ways, but I put it down to "skill" and some enhanced speed, but not a speedster type of speed, which you would actually require to dodge/cut bullets in real life. What is plainly seen on-screen as intended by the director overrides any theories (however logical) in this case - at least for me. If he was meant to have super-speed (as in Quicksilver type), it would have been easy to apply the necessary special effects/editing.
Originally posted by Placidity"What is plainly seen on-screen as intended by the director overrides any theories."
He moved as fast as Ryan Reynolds could in real life. Ryan Reynolds is a human.I made a post on this very thing before. You can argue both ways, but I put it down to "skill" and some enhanced speed, but not a speedster type of speed, which you would actually require to dodge/cut bullets in real life. What is plainly seen on-screen as intended by the director overrides any theories (however logical) in this case - at least for me. If he was meant to have super-speed (as in Quicksilver type), it would have been easy to apply the necessary special effects/editing.
Agreed. And you plainly see him turn around, look at a bullet, and cut it in half as it moved about two feet in that scene. That is bullet time at its finest. I see no reason not to apply the same ability to every bullet that was blocked. You need a whole lot more than skill to block all those bullets, and he clearly showed he had the speed.
And sure, the special effects would have helped, but with how horrible that movie was overall, it makes more sense that they probably just overlooked it and decided the scene were he clearely was moving in bullet time was enough.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
"What is plainly seen on-screen as intended by the director overrides any theories."Agreed. And you plainly see him turn around, look at a bullet, and cut it in half as it moved about two feet in that scene. That is bullet time at its finest. I see no reason not to apply the same ability to every bullet that was blocked. You need a whole lot more than skill to block all those bullets, and he clearly showed he had the speed.
And sure, the special effects would have helped, but with how horrible that movie was overall, it makes more sense that they probably just overlooked it and decided the scene were he clearly was moving in bullet time was enough.
That moment although significant is all that you have to hang on to make a case for superspeed. Every other scene in the movie, he does not display any super speed at all.
Also he was clearly blocking bullets even without superspeed before that moment. Therefore, real world physics does not necessarily apply to that one slow motion scene either.
If you pause the video at the right places in the earlier part of that scene when he WASN'T filmed in slow motion, you can still see the bullets he is deflecting. The movie bullet is clearly slower than a real bullet.
Basically, a case can be made for superspeed, but it takes some inclination and self-convincing.
Originally posted by PlacidityAll I have? I also have the scene where he blocked a ****ton of AK bullets. Its more believable to think that the clip was slowed down, or to chalk it up to bad filming than to think he blocked bullets from standard AKs that for some reason were going slower without superspeed. Especially when he was clearly shown to be going bullet time in a scene. That was the DEFINITION of bullet time. Do you realize how your argument sounds? Your free to continue arguing all you like, but you're wrong and anyone can see that.
That moment although significant is all that you have to hang on to make a case for superspeed. Every other scene in the movie, he does not display any super speed at all.Also he was clearly blocking bullets even without superspeed before that moment. Therefore, real world physics does not necessarily apply to that one slow motion scene either.
If you pause the video at the right places in the earlier part of that scene when he WASN'T filmed in slow motion, you can still see the bullets he is deflecting. The movie bullet is clearly slower than a real bullet.
Basically, a case can be made for superspeed, but it takes some inclination and self-convincing.
Can you even write something that makes sense?
Originally posted by Arachnid1
All I have?
Yes that is all you have.
Lets see if you go on to produce more evidence.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I also have the scene where he blocked a ****ton of AK bullets.
We already talked about this. He is moving at human speed - as seen on screen. You bring it up again as if I haven't addressed it already - very bad form.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Its more believable to think that the clip was slowed down, or to chalk it up to bad filming than to think he blocked bullets from standard AKs that for some reason were going slower without superspeed.
"More believable" for you because you want to believe. Still waiting for some solid evidence other than your assertion.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Especially when he was clearly shown to be going bullet time in a scene. That was the DEFINITION of bullet time.
So finally you bring up the feat which I said was all you had... so I think that is really all you have then. Thanks for confirming, but all the other fluff text is unnecessary.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Do you realize how your argument sounds? Your free to continue arguing all you like, but you're wrong and anyone can see that.
I'm sure it doesn't make sense to someone who is biased and who isn't very good at logic.
Your style of debate really shows you lack substance. One fallacy after an other, and then ends with an ad hominem and argumentum ad populum.
Originally posted by Placidity
Can you even write something that makes sense?Yes that is all you have.
Lets see if you go on to produce more evidence.
We already talked about this. He is moving at human speed - as seen on screen. You bring it up again as if I haven't addressed it already - very bad form.
"More believable" for you because you want to believe. Still waiting for some solid evidence other than your assertion.
So finally you bring up the feat which I said was all you had... so I think that is really all you have then. Thanks for confirming, but all the other fluff text is unnecessary.
I'm sure it doesn't make sense to someone who is biased and who isn't very good at logic.
Your style of debate really shows you lack substance. One fallacy after an other, and then ends with an ad hominem and argumentum ad populum.
"I'm sure it doesn't make sense to someone who is biased and who isn't very good at logic."
You described yourself 100%. Look at you getting all rustled lol. The director clearly meant that scene to be bullet time. Your free to get as angry as you like, but it wont make you right here. Everyone here besides you agrees he's bullet time, and there's a reason for that. You're wrong. ;D
To be fair, it is possible to dodge sound speed objects from 100 or so meters away, though the reason one couldn't react to bullets because the size of it
Though still, the notion Deadpool doesn't have superhuman speed despite his feat (as well as the whole "herp derp bullets in teh movie go slower than real ones" and "we could see it on TV so it's not even supersonic" lines) is retarded
In that case, this gets a lot more interesting. It might go to Captain Pool. That bullet time feat was more impressive than Spidey's. Spidey weaved his way through a barrage of bullets from a minigun, which was cool, but Wade blocked every bullet from a good 8 AKs be fired full auto at him for a good 20 seconds.
General Spidey is probably fast enough to dodge that kind of barrage, but block every single bullet? Holy shit. General Spidey may have 4 arms, a spider sense, and much more strength, but Captain Pool may be fast enough to get a decap. I give it to him 6-7/10.