This seems extremely, insanely, mind-bogglingly appropriate: http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this,36131/
Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure where I signed up for: "get shot in the face cos any lunatic can easily get a gun". I must have not read the EULA well enough.
Originally posted by riv6672
Same place you get a "get hit by a car because people drive drunk." Registration.
Insane troll logic dictates we get rid of a LOT of tools, because they're mis used.
I live in a democracy (arguably a better one than the US) and I literally don't worry about being shot ever....
It worked for Australia. They had the same sort of people who would say, "You can have my gun over my cold dead body..." but they still managed to pass a no-gun law.
That might be a long way off for America, but I think that making a few new rules could help a lot. For instance, a background check for anyone who wants to buy a gun. No ability for citizens to buy military-grade weapons. Mandatory instructional course for new gun buyers. Yeah, nobody wants to give up their privacy or time. Even just these few rules would help prevent school shootings. Or how about required license, to be found on the person who has a gun with them. Harsher enforcement laws.
Yes, people will whine and carry on. But there is something to be said for the greater good, at least in this instance.
Originally posted by Robtard
Guns should be outlawed and people should go back to carry swords and daggers. Those were the days.
Well, that might happen...Einstein said that he didn't know what weapons World War 3 will be fought with, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones. And maybe a few swords..
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
While I don't think guns should be banned. I think people who say criminals don't follow the law, are being a bit silly. By that logic you may as well not have any laws regarding things, as criminals will break it anyway.
What is being said is that criminals don't fear the law because they know how to get around it in many cases. However, the main logic in this "not fearing the law" deal is that no matter what law is passed a criminal will always find a way to buy a gun.
Also, if a criminal does break the law, what does he look forward to? A nice cell, 3 meals a day, exercise, free healthcare and years of appeals at the expense of the taxpayers. In fact, some criminals on-purposely go back to jail to enjoy the perks, because they can't make it in the outside world.
So what do criminals really have to lose?
That speaks more to the mental state of the criminals than the prison system.
Do men and women who return to abusive relationships do so because the relationships really arent that bad?
Back to guns though:
I once called out then current rapper/future actor ice t for the hypocrisy of his lyrics, where he'd lambaste police as corrupt storm troopers in some songs, while in other songs dealing with different types of crimes, said they should be called in to basically make things right.
Its easy to make light of/talk down/call into question the necessity of, guns. Until you need one.
This'll probably be my last post here, unless some new ground is covered. This type of thread never changes people's minds and tend to go in circles for way too long.
You missed Ice T's point, then.
Ice T doesn't hate police. Ice-T hates police who are douchebags and harass people for no reason other than them being black. He hates police who can murder people, practically on-video, and get away with it because they're cops.
Using a similar analogy, most people don't hate guns. What they do hate is when people use guns to do things like... you know, murder people.
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While I entirely agree with the sentiment that a huuuuge part of America's gun problem has more to do with how we treat mental illnesses and socio-economic pressures than it does gun-ownership laws, I do also think that there is absolutely no reason for people to own any type of gun they want for "home defense" or "sport". As far as I'm concerned, civilians should be allowed to possess pump-action shotguns, revolvers and single-shot rifles, with the caveat of only revolvers being allowed on your person in public. If you want something better than that for sport shooting (hunting, etc), rent one from a gun range or the park. If you want something better than that for self-defense, call the Police. That's why they're there.
The 2nd amendment gives you the right to own a weapon to protect yourself. It doesn't give you the right to own an assault rifle or other military-grade weapons anymore then it gives you the right to own a SAW or a SAM-launcher.
The media is another factor we have to consider in gun violence.
Slightly off-topic. yes, but the Media should also get their due credit for the promotion of gun violence.
Does anyone remember when the Virgina tech shooting took place?
What did the major news outlets like ABC and NBC do?
They played Seung-Hui-Cho's final manifesto over and over again. They turned him into a rock star for other disenfranchised and angry youth as they stared at someone who looked like he belonged in some off-the-wall movie. If I remember right, the movie "Oldboy" got some heat for Cho's final physical appearance in his manifesto.
It created more anger and hate that none of us really need. So, hat's off to the media for creating the next potential VT killer.... 🙁
NRA be banned? that's not right at all, free speech and all
weapons ban? are people crazy? i hear about how it works in other places in the world, but i assure you that is mostly propaganda.
I've been to many places in the middle east. been to japan, korea, germany, u.k., australia.
don't care what people say. banning legal gun ownership is insane
Originally posted by riv6672
Same place you get a "get hit by a car because people drive drunk." Registration.
Insane troll logic dictates we get rid of a LOT of tools, because they're mis used.
So you're comparing say a Prius to a 9mm handgun, where one is specifically designed to move people around and the other is specifically designed to kill humans?
That logic seems both lazy and foolish and foolishy lazy.
Originally posted by Mindship
The NRA should not be banned. Neither should it trump common sense.
The best statement about the problem so far.
Add to that that the government should also exercise common sense, and not take a mile the minute someone gives an inch, which is a logical fear given the way that "feel-good" laws and "just a little bit" laws can (and have) become overbearing regulations that are hard to dislodge once written in judicial and executive stone.
But being the current crop of Left-Wing individuals in Congress are the cream-of-the-crop of the gun-hating crowd, there's going to a lot of "my way or the highway" politics that will no doubt dominate Congress in the future, just as they have in the past as well as now.
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Originally posted by riv6672
Same place you get a "get hit by a car because people drive drunk." Registration.
Insane troll logic dictates we get rid of a LOT of tools, because they're mis used.
Originally posted by Robtard
So you're comparing say a Prius to a 9mm handgun, where one is specifically designed to move people around and the other is specifically designed to kill humans?That logic seems both lazy and foolish and foolishy lazy.
Well, if we stop and examine this for a minute, what is being said
is irresponsibility can exist with anything that gets mis-used. And with young kids, cars are of special note here.
Every now and then, you hear some kid who just got his license and\or graduated gets a brand-new big-ass SUV or some other monster car or truck as a present. He then takes it out with his friends, and because of his inexperience, (or lack of responsibility) he winds up getting himself and his friends killed, or winds up killing someone else.
It's relevant for those reasons alone, as it shows irresponsibility with a right or a privilege. And while not as frequent as gun violence, the fact that someone died from something they shouldn't have had to begin with is the key.
However, that alone should not be a reason to revoke the rights of others who are safe and responsible.