Darth Nihilus vs The Sith Emperor

Originally posted by ares834
He isn't a mook. Still doesn't change the fact that he never displayed the power to resist TK on Nihilus's magnitude.

Even just from drawing on Vitiate's power an Imperial Guard was able to negate Revan's TK and Revan's TK is very good. So I see Vitiate's defense as being very impressive. And even weakened, wounded and exhausted Vitiate was able to collapse the Dark Temple. So I also don't see a full strength Vitiate as being terribly far from Nihilus in TK. While I agree Nihilus currently is superior in that area, I don't think he'll be ragdolling Vitiate or reducing him to a smear.

Vitiate also has aspects in which he is superior, like lightning, sorcery and telepathy.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
He was only affected by Revan's blast that Channeled both sides of the force, I don't think anyone - unless you count game mechanics, has used TK on Vitiate. he has his force shields, just because no source exist saying that he has resisted powerful tk doesn't mean Nihilus ragdolls him, saying such a thing is idiotic(no offense)

No. What's idotic is saying Vitiate can defend against such TK despite having absolutely no feats to suggest he could.

Vitiate dies

Vitiate is far more knowledgeable about the Dark Side and wields a far greater mastery over the force. Vititate's destruction of Nathema is of a greater magnitude than Nihilus' feat on Katarr. Vitiate is undoubtedly the superior Sith Lord.

But none of that matters. Nihilus' raw power is enough to stop Vitiate. Nihilus' monstrous force drain (to the best of my knowledge) requires little preparation. His TK is impressive and his saber skills are underrated. After being severely weakened, he still managed to almost overwhelm the Exile, Visas Marr, and Canderous in a duel.

I'll quote the hyperbole that was used in the Revenge of the Sith novel.

Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery
of swordplay is useless. His vast wealth, his political influence,
impeccable breeding, immaculate manners, exquisite taste—the
pursuits and points of pride to which he has devoted so much of histime and attention over the long, long years of his life—are now
chains hung upon his spirit, bending his neck
before the ax.
Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke.

Instead of talking about Dooku's saber skills, imagine the quote talking about Vitiate's knowledge of the force.

Vitiate could definitely beat Nihilus, but in a straight-up fight, Nihilus would win more often than not.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Um didn't Nihilius do that on a Nexus? I mean this forum tends to take those things into account so... Yeah.

Yes but he also ripped it out of a gravity vortex, according to Ant.

Also, up to his time Vitiate is canonically the most powerful avatar of the Dark Side, moreso than Darth Nihilus.

Darth Nihilus really needs to have new material to change his horrendous handling in KOTOR--I thought how he appeared in Legacy was really cool, even though it contrasted with his other appearances.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yes but he also ripped it out of a gravity vortex, according to Ant.

Plus he keeps his ship together while it travels the galaxy.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I've seen nothing to suggest Vitiate is a Force Wound, so I don't see why it wouldn't.

Vitiate is master of Force Drain as well, he can give Nihilus a taste of his own medicine in this respect. If Nihilus gets drained, I am sure he would not last long.

Originally posted by ares834
Lightning is countered by a saber.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Plus he keeps his ship together while it travels the galaxy.

I keep seeing this claim of Nihilus ripping ship out of Malachor. First, is there actual proof that he used TK or it's just one of those rumored vague feats? The ship's engine was working including hyperspace travel, why would he used TK at all?

Also, where would he get so much Force power available? I thought he was hungry, a few non-sensitives he fed off shouldn't be enough at all.

It's stated he pulled it out.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate is corporeally immortal, Force Drain cannot undo this. Emperor Vitiate continuously siphoned energies of some of his immortal servants and they didn't perish, those servants felt weakened but did not perish because of immortality.

Vitiate is master of Force Drain as well, he can give Nihilus a taste of his own medicine in this respect. If Nihilus gets drained, I am sure he would not last long.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
His ship remained intact after he was vanquished.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's stated he pulled it out.

I highly doubt that Nihilus' drain would work against Vitiate and if it doesn't kill him, Vitiate will win this.

Originally posted by Arhael
Does it attribute it to TK though or whatever means? It's too vague to give it any meaning.

Do you think he used a big crane to get it off?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You have no proof of the first statement. Nothing ever suggests that Vitiate was trying to kill anyone he was draining off of besides Nathema. Second, Force Drain does not work on Force Wounds, it rebounds back to the one started the drain.

Sith Emperor is a master of Force Drain talents. He transformed some of his minions in to immortal beings so he could siphon energies from them virtually endlessly and they would not perish.

Corporeal immortality is a product of sorcery, it is such a powerful transformation that it guarantees survival against Force Drain talents.

After trapping Revan, Emperor began to drain him as well. Revan survived by draining energy from Force ghost of Surik in turn. Otherwise, Revan would have perished.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Actually, it wasn't. They blew it up to prevent it from crashing into the Citadel Space Station.

However, if Nihilus was really holding the ship together, shouldn't it have disintegrated after his fall?

Originally posted by Sinious
I highly doubt that Nihilus' drain would work against Vitiate and if it doesn't kill him, Vitiate will win this.

Vitiate transformed some of his minions in to immortal beings so he could endlessly drained them to fuel his power. Those minions felt weak continuously due being drained but they didn't die because of immortality. Such cruelty.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not talking about Nathema event.

Sith Emperor is a master of Force Drain talents. He transformed some of his servants in to immortals so he could siphon energies from them virtually endlessly and they would not perish.

Corporeal immortality is a product of sorcery, it is such a powerful transformation that it guarantees survival against Force Drain talents.

After trapping Revan, Emperor began to drain him as well. Revan survived by draining energy from Force ghost of Surik.

The ship would have crashed after loss of crew.

However, if Nihilus was really holding the ship together, shouldn't it have disintegrated after his fall?