Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not nearly as ridiculous as you suggesting Vitiate is One level...
Also, The Ones are irrelevant to this topic. Don't make it a habit of bringing them in to every discussion. I have opened a thread about it, stick to it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If you fail to accept to my terms to stop this debate, the moderators will be notified to get involved. This has gone too far with too many members insulted by you on every post. I am sorry.
What a hypocrite tbh. Stop resorting to DMB-style mod cries just because LeGenD is whooping you tbh. 💃
Darth Nihilus is a wound in the Force, an aberration caused by a massive amount of destruction on the planet Malachor V. He is, essentially, a void that absorbs all life around him and corrupts it. Pretty Lovecraftian and cool, I think.
Here comes the kicker. Nihilus can drain entire planets, singular people, whatever. The more power, the greater his ability pulls and the stronger it is. Now. Here is where people get confused. This is not the same as Force Drain. It cannot be resisted, it cannot be fought against, if the Force touches you, you're just plain dead.
Force Drain is an ability that drains the life force from the opponent. Sounds pretty similar, until you look at the source. Force Drain is utilized by Force-Users. Nihilus. Is not. A Force-User. He is a ****ing force of nature. There is no intent behind his drain, no guidance. It's just nameless hunger. The ability has also proven to, as previously stated, become more devastating the more powerful the opponent is.
Not only this, but Kreia claimed that Nihilus's ability had been "lost", whereas Force drain was usable in-game and existed in the Star Wars canon during that time period, insinuating that they are two different things.
So how did the Exile, the protagonist of KOTOR II, kill Nihilus you ask? It was NOT, as many have stated, because she resisted his drain. The Exile was at Malachor V as well, and by severing herself from the Force, she became a wound like Nihilus. When Nihilus tried to feed on her, he was essentially trying to feed on nothing. Trying to pull on this nothingness weakened Nihilus immensely, because of her nature as a Wound.
Why would this weaken him? Good goddamn question, but we have a comparable situation that we can pull on. Kreia, the Exile's mentor, attempted to sever the Force bond she and the Exile shared. This would create a minor wound in the Force. However, her plan was to do this at Malachor. The overlapping wounds would then echo outward, screaming across the galaxy and destroying the Force, which Kreia viewed as an insidious, cruel god.
Compare this to the Nihilus-Exile situation. A wound reached out and touched another wound, tried to pull on it, and the effect was an echo. This was a more internal echo that reverberated inside Nihilus, severely weakening him.
So my point is this: If a Force-User is not a wound in the Force, as the Exile was, they cannot resist Nihilus's drain. Where's my source on this? The ****ing game, in which it is stated that his ability cannot be defended against. People tend to ignore this line, and most of the supporting evidence in the game, and say that Kreia did not know what she was talking about.
If the game confirms it, if it seems like Nihilus can only be stopped by the Exile because of the unique set of circumstances, then why do some Star Wars fans like to pretend otherwise? One answer is that they are unwilling to accept something unique in their universe full of repeated storylines. Another may be that they cannot conceive of an ability that is not fully documented, talked about in some obscure comic, and that is only accessible to someone because of unique circumstances.
Basically, a lot of Star Wars fans hate anything that is different from your basic Star Wars shit. Lovecraftian monsters that can only be sealed away with a secret ritual or by a specific person are common in horror. Not so much in Star Wars.
Nihilus+Exile=Dead Nihilus. Nihilus+Anyone Else=Dead Anyone Else. Is this because The Exile has 462 impressive feats and a power level of 1,345? NO. It's because of what she is. It has nothing to do with power. It's like a key and an indestructible lock. You can only open it by using the key. It doesn't matter how strong you are or how many other locks you could break. The Exile wasn't special because she was uber powerful: She was special because she was a wound in the Force. That is why she was able to kill Nihilus.
I'm a Star Wars fan. I really am, despite my hatred for some of the things it does. KOTOR II is my favorite piece of Star Wars material BECAUSE it's different. It took chances, made people question the dichotomy of the Jedi v. Sith debate. It kills me when people try to make this game less unique by trying to apply traditional Star Wars rules to it when it defied most of those rules. Chris Avellone and gang worked hard to make your character feel unique, and for the threat to be something only they could stop.
Play the game. Listen closely. The game will back up everything I've said. And, on this last note, isn't it more interesting if Nihilus is something unique? If he's some absolute anomaly? When you boil him down to things like dueling proficiency or feats, he may as well just be a ****ing baseball card.
So yes. This is one of my personal pet peeves, right beside Bioware completely ignoring everything from KOTOR II so they don't have to admit that Obsidian is better than them in every conceivable way annnd...
Topic for another time.
So yes. You're wrong about Darth Nihilus. Or you're not, and you understand that not everything has to fit into a category on Wookiepedia. If you're the latter, have a cookie.