What weapons do Selene get?
Also, you have to be more specific with the Sith. Without including Clone Wars into this, both of them are technically dead. 😆
So do you mean ROTJ Vader before he died and became a force ghost? Or ROTS Vader after his fight with Obi Wan? And are we using Clone Wars Maul who was found by his brother, and later went on to duel Sidious? Or Maul before he got cut in half by Obi Wan?
Originally posted by ares834I don't remember the Underworld movies well enough to retort this, so I'll take your word for it. I don't remember her dodging bullets or lightning though.
Nah. Selene is actually the more dangerous one here for the Sith.
I do remember that she could take some ass kickings though. I also remember a pretty large degree of super strength (around Spideys level, catching/flipping cars and the likes). The only thing that really makes her more dangerous is her willingness to kill, I think.
Either way, if you right, she can solo just as hard as Spidey.
Neither Sith has lightning. But they do have TK which will allow them to easily defeat either foe. The thing is whereas Spider-man only has webs to use against either Sith, Selene has guns. In the few seconds it takes to ragdoll their two opponents, Selene could potentially have riddled them with bullets.
Edit: Didn't see no force choke (which presumably includes crush). Don't have any clue how it goes now.
Bullets are far faster than Blaster Bolts. In the EU it's clear that slug throwers(guns) give even the best Force Users trouble because they can't see the slugs(bullets) and they're a whole lot faster.
And just because his glove(rumored to be Beskar) can stop a blaster bolt, doesn't mean they can stop a bullet. Which imparts massive kinetic damage as opposed to a blaster bolt which is mainly high heat in a concentrated area.
Originally posted by KingD19
Bullets are far faster than Blaster Bolts.
Well if you pretend Hoth, Kasshyk and Geonosis didn't happen then sure
Because ya know, they totally did
In the EU it's clear that slug throwers(guns) give even the best Force Users trouble because they can't see the slugs(bullets) and they're a whole lot faster.
They had trouble with slugthrowers because they can't be bounced back like blaster bolts
Also
>uses EU
>in the movie section
And just because his glove(rumored to be Beskar) can stop a blaster bolt, doesn't mean they can stop a bullet. Which imparts massive kinetic damage as opposed to a blaster bolt which is mainly high heat in a concentrated area.
Energy is energy, joules are joules, durability is not split, heat/vaporisation is not hax blah blah blah
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I don't remember her dodging bullets or lightning though.
After getting her upgrade, she was able to go toe-to-toe with Marcus, who has hybrid level strength. Who is above both lycans, and even standard hybrids like Michael. Heck, even a starving lycan can push or flip off small trucks.
She is at the very least on Parker's level here, if not higher still.
@Stealthranger
Mundi was overwhelmed with slow blaster bolts. Even though he was surprised, he started deflecting them, but clearly couldn't handle that many bolts at once.
Selene's normal arsenal includes dual full auto pistols. Using an Uzi as a comparison, that is 20 bullets flying at the Sith in one second. Prove a Sith can block that many projectiles in a second, and at multiple different trajectories simultaneously. I hope you make your answer entertaining.
Bullet > Bolt on account of speed of projectile and rate of fire.
Run along home fan boy.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Evolution, when she saves a starving Michael from a bunch of small town hunters. And that was pre-CorvinusBlood-upgrade.After getting her upgrade, she was able to go toe-to-toe with Marcus, who has hybrid level strength. Who is above both lycans, and even standard hybrids like Michael. Heck, even a starving lycan can push or flip off small trucks.
She is at the very least on Parker's level here, if not higher still.
Parker's strength feats are higher than anything Underworld has shown.
I'd put Underworld's elite at 5-10 tons. Super Lycan could be more.
Originally posted by Placidity
[B]@StealthrangerMundi was overwhelmed with slow blaster bolts. Even though he was surprised, he started deflecting them, but clearly couldn't handle that many bolts at once.
Blaster bolts are not slow, Geonosis, Kasshyk and Hoth for example say otherwise (various blaster bolts crossing km in second
They were prolly using repeater blasters (basically automatic rifles of the SWverse), I think and were at fairly close distance
{QUOTE]Selene's normal arsenal includes dual full auto pistols. Using an Uzi as a comparison, that is 20 bullets flying at the Sith in one second. Prove a Sith can block that many projectiles in a second, and at multiple different trajectories simultaneously. I hope you make your answer entertaining.[/QUOTE]
Or he could just, you know, move out of the way of the lines of fire. Force Speed and all that
If I wanted to I could post ROTS novel quotes of MagnaGaurds and droid starfighters relativistic reactions and Jedi outmaneuvering them easily enough or ICS saying blaster bolts are lightspeed
Vader's durable enough to tank bullets in any case
Bullet > Bolt on account of speed of projectile and rate of fire.
Again, basically every long range engagement in the trilogies says otherwise
As for rate of fire, can't recall any blaster stats so, meh, might give that one for now
Originally posted by Placidity
Parker's strength feats are higher than anything Underworld has shown.I'd put Underworld's elite at 5-10 tons. Super Lycan could be more.
Does Parker have feats on par with these?
He caught a falling police cruiser(1-4 tons) without any effort.
He also stopped a city bus(12+tons) being pushed by an 18 wheeler(20,000lbs) without much effort at all. When the bus slammed into him, he only moved a few feet before digging up the concrete and stopping both vehicles, despite the truck still being in drive and Rhino flooring the gas pedal.
Marcus' most impressive feat imo was lifting the portcullis as it was several feet thick, at least 10-12 feet high and made of solid stone. It had to weigh in the double digits of tons and he lifted it pretty easily.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Blaster bolts are not slow, Geonosis, Kasshyk and Hoth for example say otherwise (various blaster bolts crossing km in second
Not the ones that Jedi are shown to block. You can say its the same weapon, but bolt speed is measurably different - onscreen.
I'm basing this on movie feats only.
Force speed depends on how you play it. They have never shown using it in a fight. Well actually, they never used it period after that one time in TPM. Sure would've been handy to use that ability later - why didn't they use it?
You could argue they move around with quicksilver speed in a fight, but I'm not sure there is anyone here interested in debating that.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Selene shoulder-charged a van, flinging it roughly 10 meters away. Marcus brought a helicopter hovering 100+ feet in the air simply by tugging on a rope attached to it. Michael stopped a truck in its tracks.
Well rolling over a few times and skidding is more accurate. But nonetheless doesn't take away from the feat, still impressive.
I once made your helicopter argument, it was countered by DDM, who had some good points. Basically he said it actually doesn't take that much force to pull it down if its just hovering. I didn't completely buy it but I generally exclude that feat from my estimations for now.