Ninja Assassins versus Hogwarts, the unbiased version

Timeline: The battle of Hogwarts. Instead of Voldemort and his army of dark wizards, the attacking force is the Ninja assassins, led by Voldemort. He enables them, with his dark wizard magic, to see the castle. He also uses his wizard magic to lower the shield around Hogwarts. He then sends the Ninja in to kill everyone inside.

The Hogwarts team, they are fully aware they are about to be attacked. They must defend the castle and defeat the Ninja. Both teams are 100% aware of the powers the other team has.

Who wins?

Ninjas all toss shurikens at bullet speeds and move around too fast for the wizards to hit.

It's in the middle of the night too? They shadow blend and just start slicing people apart from every direction.

Detection spells everywhere, all students and teachers instantly in various shield charms so they cant be hurt, and they fling out spells from the inside until all the ninjas are either dead or unconscious. Flawless victory.

Although I want to point out that taking away a ninjas element of surprise kind of defeats the purpose of them. They aren't stealthing anymore and it becomes a full out fight that they cant win because they cant hurt anyone. This thread isn't any more unbiased than the other. The other handicapped the wizards, whereas this one handicaps the ninjas. I think this is a no-win situation.

Ninjas clearly win via Ninja Magic (NM).

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Detection spells everywhere, all students and teachers instantly in various shield charms so they cant be hurt, and they fling out spells from the inside until all the ninjas are either dead or unconscious. Flawless victory.

Although I want to point out that taking away a ninjas element of surprise kind of defeats the purpose of them. They aren't stealthing anymore and it becomes a full out fight that they cant win because they cant hurt anyone. This thread isn't any more unbiased than the other. The other handicapped the wizards, whereas this one handicaps the ninjas. I think this is a no-win situation.

Is there any proof a detection spell would work on a moving shadow? Or someone moving so fast the person casting the spell can't keep up?

And what shield charms would protect them from shuriken and blades? They protect against spells sure, but other stuff... Even during the final battle nobody even bothered to use spells. They either dodged or deflected everything thrown at them. Or got hit.

Originally posted by KingD19
Is there any proof a detection spell would work on a moving shadow? Or someone moving so fast the person casting the spell can't keep up?

And what shield charms would protect them from shuriken and blades? They protect against spells sure, but other stuff... Even during the final battle nobody even bothered to use spells. They either dodged or deflected everything thrown at them. Or got hit.

The basic shield charm on the other hand, can also protect against physical objects/people. I'm not sure how strong they are in this respect though or if transforming into a shadow would bypass it. The whole "shadow people" thing has me stumped.

Still, the ninjas would have to become tangible beings again if they want to actually attack, and at that point they would be bombarded with a ton of spells. They are massively outnumbered.

Also, wizards have spells to keep people from doing things. They have binding spells that keep people from teleporting away, and spells to force people to reveal their true selves (used on animagi to force them back to being human for example). They could pull that out to force the ninjas back into human form.

Jesus, there are so many variables when it comes to Harry Potter. I'm going back and forth. :/

You guys are forgetting that the Ninja have to actually get TO the wizards. They must defeat the big ass stone statues on the bridge.

And if they do defeat them, the wizards are gonna be uber prepared. No matter how fast the ninja are, the wizards can basically teleport at will and can fly around in smoke form, spamming fiendfyre on the Ninja.

So, in an even match, the ninja lose horribly. The wizards have WAY too many spells.

The whole problem though is that the wizards have to actually hit with these spells. They're clearly average human reaction time, and those spells are mostly slow and clearly visible.

Ninja will be teleporting about from shadow to shadow, tossing shuriken at bullet velocities(which could in theory bypass a charm due to the force behind it), and the ninjas are also super strong to a degree. Raizo was strong enough to send a grown man flying, and they cut clean through body parts and entire people with ease.

Were we watching the same movie, because the wizards in the movie I saw weren't even 1/10th as competent as people are claiming.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
So, in an even match, the ninja lose horribly. The wizards have WAY too many spells.

Wizards are extremely powerful, but are they fast/competent enough to use this power in the midst of combat, I'm not sure.

Yeah. They literally stood around and flung spells at each other. Dodging, deflecting and getting hit if they weren't fast enough. Even the Death Eater's barely used their combustion engine flying techniques.

Originally posted by Placidity
Ninjas clearly win via Ninja Magic (NM).

Originally posted by KingD19
The whole problem though is that the wizards have to actually hit with these spells. They're clearly average human reaction time, and those spells are mostly slow and clearly visible.

Ninja will be teleporting about from shadow to shadow, tossing shuriken at bullet velocities(which could in theory bypass a charm due to the force behind it), and the ninjas are also super strong to a degree. Raizo was strong enough to send a grown man flying, and they cut clean through body parts and entire people with ease.

The wizards can be flying around in the clouds and spamming spell after spell after spell and fiendfyre. If and when they cast Fiendfyre, the fiendfyre will do their job for them. The ninja can zoom about all they want, but the fiendfyre can and will seek them out. It is an unrelenting wall of flame that can and will surround them, tighten the noose, and fry them. There is no counter for this, not even with magic.

Also, wizard shield spells>>>>>>>>Shuriken tosses.

Originally posted by Stigma
This is not an even match, as you took away the thing that makes the Ninja what they are, an element of surprise. 😬

Wizards are extremely powerful, but are they fast/competent enough to use this power in the midst of combat, I'm not sure.

So in any ninja thread, their opponent must be sitting around, clueless, just waiting to be attacked?

And yeah, the wizards are fast/competent enough to use their powers in the midst of combat.

So in the end, in a straight up fight, Wizards>>>>>Ninja.

Just finished the Harry Potter marathon on ABC. Ninjas stomp hard. More than half of the Hogwarts team (mostly students) will be dead after the first wave of attack. The Ninjas are simply too fast.

Shuriken thrown with deadly accuracy > 15 year old stuttering "S-s-stupefy"

I also don't see the wizards spamming fiendfyre, which iirc is dark magic and is extremely difficult to control. Crabbe may have produced fiendfyre but it killed him because he couldn't control it, and he was like what, a 7th year student? Ninjas win imo.

Also take into account that none of them have ever seen gruesome, gory death like this. They've seen people die sure but most of the deaths look non-violent. Even Avada Kedavra leaves no marks. But people will be getting body parts removed and heads chopped off. Blood will be everywhere...these people who aren't used to that will freak the f*ck out and it will affect their performance.

A twelve year old seeing their best friends head fall from their shoulders will lose their shit.

Good point.

None of them are warriors, and only a handful have seen serious combat. Even some of the experienced teachers would lose their shit.

HP supporters can point out all the spells they want. In reality, it would be too chaotic and Ninjas would take them out systematically.

Only chance is if the HP elite use the time (while the canon fodder are being slaughtered) to prep something.

100 Ninja X 100 Shuriken = 10,000 Flying Deadly Shuriken (FDS)

10,000 FDS = All dead wizards /simplemaths

ps "unbiased version" that specifically takes out one of the ninja's greatest weapons, stealth and surprise. I LoLz.

Ninjas in Ninja Assassin were awesome when no one knew they were coming.

Think about the last scenes in the movie where they essentially got mowed down by guys with guns and lights. This leads me to believe that when they don't have the element of surprise they are nearly as good.

I would say Hogwarts takes this pretty easily.

Originally posted by Newjak
Ninjas in Ninja Assassin were awesome when no one knew they were coming.

Think about the last scenes in the movie where they essentially got mowed down by guys with guns and lights. This leads me to believe that when they don't have the element of surprise they are nearly as good.

I would say Hogwarts takes this pretty easily.

Plus, almost every student knows how to use a basic shield charm, which I highly doubt muggles could break through. Its a basic spell to the point where all the students learn how to cast this spell non-verbally their sixth year. If the wizards know they're coming, the ninjas cant do anything.