Understanding Ritual of Nathema and Emperor's capability to perform Force Drain

Originally posted by Emperordmb
LeGenD, a few statements you have posted say that the planet's devastation and Vitiate's immortality was part of the ritual.

I pointed it out that Emperor Vitiate may have tapped in to the nexus of the dark side created on his homeworld to enhance his performance with Force Drain. Keep in mind that he was far more powerful then any Sith Lord in the galaxy even during this time.

Originally posted by Sinious
Not really. Vitiate promised them power to use against the jedi but he cared only for immortality so he deceived them and while the official goal of the ritual was to create a great dark side energy, the real purpose of Vitiate was to consume them and reach immortality.

The Sith Lords did create the largest nexus of the dark side ever during the ritual but Emperor Vitiate used this development to his own advantage and unleashed Force Drain on others to consume then accomplish his agenda. It is possible that he tapped in to the nexus of the dark side to enhance his performance.

Originally posted by Selenial
Again, there's no proof that he can even use it without rituals, given the Book of Sith quote.

Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side asserts nothing about Emperor Vitiate's proficiency in Force Drain.

Also, Emperor Vitiate continued to steal life-forces of many individuals after the event of Nathema and this is why he continued to grow in power throughout his span of existence. While performing this act, Emperor Vitiate performed many other actions so he does not needs to perform a ritual to drain others.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD Excuse me?

Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side asserts nothing about Emperor Vitiate's proficiency in Force Drain.

Also, Emperor Vitiate continued to steal life-forces of many individuals after the event of Nathema and this is why he continued to grow in power throughout his span of existence. While performing this act, Emperor Vitiate performed many other actions so he does not needs to perform a ritual to drain others. [/B]

No, it says you can do things You'd never normally be able to do with rituals, so that's applicable.

It doesn't matter, it could be a ritual given how many he did (Yes, it's stated his dark RitualS created Dark Storms on Dromund Kaas. But yeh, could easily be a ritual. It doesn't specifically state that making people Immortal was a ritual but we know it was.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You act like people like you here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XlVFP94o8c&t=2m59s

I think someone's a little jealous that in a Recent Sock thread everybody put Beni well above you in terms of debating.

Originally posted by Selenial
I think someone's a little jealous that in a Recent Sock thread everybody put Beni well above you in terms of debating.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Just going to leave this here:

2. Nothing can obliterate Revan with mere sight other then direct contact with most lethal of energies in the galaxy.

3. Sith Lords formulated the largest nexus of the dark side in history from the ritual but this nexus eventually dispersed from the planet after the ritual ended.

4. Darth Bane's limitations do no apply to Emperor Vitiate. Yes, it is possible that Emperor Vitiate used the nexus of the dark side created over his homeworld from the ritual to enhance his performance with Force Drain.

5. Emperor Vitiate achieved corporeal immortality from the act of consumption of all biota in his homeworld, this was permanent increase in his power and capability to use the Force. Also, no one have achieved corporeal immortality from performing Force Drain related acts so Emperor Vitiate's accomplishment is very impressive or unparalleled in its own way.

6. Ritual performed was not Force Drain on planetary scale, it produced the largest nexus of the dark side in history. However, Emperor utilized this nexus to consume all biota of the planet after betraying his allies.

7. Emperor Vitiate's most ambitious ritual was far greater in scope in comparison to what he orchestrated on Nathema. This particular ritual was intended to consume entire galaxy. You cannot even compare these two events. Fact is that Emperor Vitiate continued to grow in power throughout his span of existence and he eventually reached a point when he could pull off Nathema on his own. However, his most ambitious ritual was of much greater scope so sacrifice of lives were needed once again to fuel a ritual of such a scope.

Originally posted by Selenial
No, it says you can do things You'd never normally be able to do with rituals, so that's applicable.

It doesn't matter, it could be a ritual given how many he did (Yes, it's stated his dark RitualS created Dark Storms on Dromund Kaas. But yeh, could easily be a ritual. It doesn't specifically state that making people Immortal was a ritual but we know it was.

Corrupting the environment of Dromund Kaas is a major development, this planet dwarves Mortis, Katarr and many other planets in size. It is much larger then Earth as well, if you consider real life comparisons.

Stealing life-forces of others is not the same thing as altering the environment of an entire (gigantic) planet. Once again, Emperor Vitiate surpassed every Sith Lord, who have co-existed with him and before, in power so his capability to manipulate the Force in superior ways should not be in doubt.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I am asserting the same thing, my friend.

The Sith Lords did create the largest nexus of the dark side ever during the ritual but Emperor Vitiate used this development to his own advantage and unleashed Force Drain on others to consume then accomplish his agenda. It is possible that he tapped in to the nexus of the dark side to enhance his performance.

Well, f he hadn't needed the sith lords, he would do it all the time to multiply his powers. Instead he choose to drain his servants. Doesn't this prove that without the presence of so many sith lords, he can't pull of that kind of a drain? Also the key point here is that he needed prep for this so its kinda useless in combat which is what matters in this thread.

Originally posted by Sinious
Well, f he hadn't needed the sith lords, he would do it all the time to multiply his powers. Instead he choose to drain his servants. Doesn't this prove that without the presence of so many sith lords, he can't pull of that kind of a drain? Also the key point here is that he needed prep for this so its kinda useless in combat which is what matters in this thread.

As far as combat is concerned, I am not sure why Emperor Vitiate did not make extensive use of Force Drain talents in such events but he continued to steal life-forces of many individuals after the Nathema event to continue to grow in power. He was dangerous with Force Drain since he converted some of his servants to immortal beings so he could drain them non-stop without killing them. Even with immortality, those servants felt weak and their capability to use the Force also diminished.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

As far as combat is concerned, I am not sure why Emperor Vitiate did not make extensive use of Force Drain talents in such events but he continued to steal life-forces of many individuals after the Nathema event to continue to grow in power. He was dangerous with Force Drain since he converted some of his servants to immortal beings so he could drain them non-stop without killing them. Even with immortality, those servants felt weak and their capability to use the Force also diminished.

Yes but again, these are sorcery-prep based drains and it doesn't prove that he had a powerful combat drain skill. It definitely doesn't prove that his combat drain is as strong as Nihilus.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I didn't even see this, lol. Link? 😂
And does it look like I give a damn who you and Sasukedc vote for?

It got deleted, but it wasn't even polls, seeing as Beni wasn't on the list.

It was people actually saying in a thread "I'd vote for Neph, but Beni's certainly better than the rest"

When you were on the list.

🙁

Oh, lmfao. The only voters for him were you and Sasukedc though. 😂

LeGenD, there are a few statements saying the devastation of Nathema was a direct result of the ritual. You choose to deny this with quotes saying Vitiate drained everyone. Well I have news for you, the two are not mutually exclusive. Just because Vitiate drained everything does not mean he didn't accomplish this directly through the ritual. You are trying to disprove something already established through quotes, with other quotes that are not mutually exclusive. This is not proper evidence to contradict canon quotes, and your theory thus falls flat.

The only times Vitiate has ever drained are through rituals, or people he has bonded/linked to for lack of a better word.

A ritual is executed through the use of (Sith) magic.
Definition of magic
magic/ˈmadʒɪk/
noun
the power of apparently influencing events by using mysterious or supernatural forces

So, in other words, he did perform the ritual on Ziost all on his own; he just couldn't do it to the galaxy.

btw, why Ziost instead of Dromund Kaas?

Originally posted by Geistalt
So, in other words, he did perform the ritual on Ziost all on his own; he just couldn't do it to the galaxy.

btw, why Ziost instead of Dromund Kaas?

Vitiate smoked Ziost with his dark powers - not through a ritual.

Dromund Kaas was the seat of power of the ancient Sith Empire and its destruction would have facilitated efforts of the Republic.

Consuming the galaxy was a gargantuan objective but Vitiate's effort towards this end was thwarted by his enemies (see Chapter 3 of Jedi Knight story arc). A Sith Lord experienced a vision of Vitiate succeeding in this endeavor and scenery was truly terrifying.

The ritual is performed through a fvck-ton of death.

As seen through Belsavis' hyperspace explosion weapon. And Voss' planet-wide plague.

In the case of Ziost, this was initialized through Force Insanity.

Nothing implies that Ziost was a ritual besides the wishful misinterpretations of that cvnt Az, and given that Vitiate was a disembodied entity, he's physically incapable of performing one in the first place. 😬

Let's say the Byss drain was also a ritual.

Yeah, how the **** would Vitiate even go about conducting a large-scale ritual? All he has is an entire planetary population of possessed slaves.