Drew Karpyshyn's Revan (KotOR vs TOR) Revelation

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

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Sorry Sas, I had to post it .

Drew Karpyshyn was asked by NewGuy01 the power difference between Revan as of Knights of the Old Republic and Revan as of The Old Republic to help us grasp a better understanding on Darth Malak's power. Here is his response:

[B]"[...] On some days, the younger, pre-rebirth Revan might be stronger, on other days the wiser, more mature older Revan might have the upper hand. It depends on all sorts of circumstances. The example I give is with pro athletes. Is Tiger Woods from 2000 better than Tiger from 2006? One was younger and hit the ball farther, the other was wiser and had more control of his game. If they played a match, who knows who would win? If they played 10 matches, I doubt one version would win them all. So, really, who is stronger? I feel the same way about Revan."
―Drew Karpyshyn (Author)
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Why wouldn't Malak be able to fully heal himself from the captive Jedi? He's not replenishing his Force reserves, he's healing himself. Their "life-force" would be enough to heal his wounds and other issues. As for his actual reserves, he's able to draw off of the SF for that, like Bastila. Though I imagine the Jedi didn't hurt his force reserves either.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why wouldn't Malak be able to fully heal himself from the captive Jedi? He's not replenishing his Force reserves, he's healing himself. Their "life-force" would be enough to heal his wounds and other issues. As for his actual reserves, he's able to draw off of the SF for that, like Bastila. Though I imagine the Jedi didn't hurt his force reserves either.

Remnants of an average Jedi's Force powers is not going to affect much of his health, to be honest. In fact, the Knights of the Old Republic Prima Guide states that "Malak uses them to add to his already formidable dark side power," not to necessarily heal himself. The official databanks state similar, saying he used it to replenish "his life force." The Jedi can actually hurt Darth Malak as well, and perhaps might even have. If Revan frees the Jedi captives using a powerful lightside power (which he canonically does), Darth Malak can then try to drain the pod, resulting in him losing some of his Force powers. Because logically, he is draining an area tainted and coated with lightside energies. Though I doubt he is dumb enough to do it again and again, of course. The Star Forge should have replenished some of his lost energies, however (based on the fight with Bastila Shan).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"The Star Forge corrupts what remains of their power and transfers the dark taint to me."
--Darth Malak (Knights of the Old Republic)

Remnants of an average Jedi's Force powers is not going to affect much of his health, to be honest.

Why not? You got a reason to think that Malak sucking them dry wouldn't heal all his "health"? Because this sounds completely speculative to me.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In fact, the Knights of the Old Republic Prima Guide states that "Malak uses them to add to his already formidable dark side power," not to necessarily heal himself. The official databanks state similar, saying he used it to replenish "his life force."

Life force is health, obviously. Thanks for proving that he was also boosted by them though. 👆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Jedi can actually hurt Darth Malak as well, and perhaps might even have. If Revan frees the Jedi captives using a powerful lightside power (which he canonically does), Darth Malak can then try to drain the pod, resulting in him losing some of his Force powers. Because logically, he is draining an area tainted and coated with lightside energies. Though I doubt he is dumb enough to do it again and again, of course. The Star Forge should have replenished some of his lost energies, however (based on the fight with Bastila Shan).

I've never known this to happen???

Nor have I.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

You weren't really giving an estimate though. You said "just to fight an amped Malak anywhere from two-six times." That is incorrect.

I honestly don't give a shit how much you care about those numbers, though you should accept them, for they follow the databanks.

"The Sith Lord had grotesquely adapted the Rakatan device to draw energy directly from chained Jedi captives. He replenished his life force from the captives by draining theirs."
―Star Wars Databanks: Darth Malak

Due to the fact he drained a plural amount of Jedi canonically, the minimum amount of times Darth Malak had to fight Revan is 3 (one time without drain, two with drain). However, to achieve a full lightside character, (which is recognized by Drew Karpyshyn and other sources as the canonical version of Knights of the Old Republic Revan) you free the other Jedi captives so they don't get drained by Darth Malak.

Excuse yourself, but many people do. NewGuy01 and Intrepid37 are among examples.

He was defeated once really. Leftovers of a captive average Jedi Knight's Force reserve is not going to be able to fully replenish even half of his health. They really didn't have much effect on the battle (game-mechanics aside).

Kotor Revan really wasn't much of a genius. Hell, neither was book Revan or TOR Revan imo. Darth Revan's personality was destroyed in his mind-wipe, he never regained that part of himself in my estimation.

For one thing, Kotor Revan ran right into ambushes an absurd number of times.

I was hoping that he regained his common sense in the weeks following his and Malak's previous encounter.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's because unlike you, I'm not going to state my theory as fact. I'll cover all ground, within reason, but I'm not going to say, "This happened."

The databanks do not say that Malak didn't constantly drain off the Jedi during their duel and amping him. There's no way that anyone with half a brain, nor with the accolade of "genius" would watch as someone roams around and drains from Jedi. And correct me, but doesn't Revan "canonically" kill Bendak Starkiller, since we're bringing game mechanics of Dark and Light into this?

Obviously they aren't making him invincible, but unless it's actually healing him, he would have died well before even your own estimate.

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Originally posted by Neph bae
Why not? You got a reason to think that Malak sucking them dry wouldn't heal all his "health"? Because this sounds completely speculative to me.

"...the power of the Star Forge re-energizes me!"
--Bastila Shan

Life force is health, obviously. Thanks for proving that he was also boosted by them though

The Sith Emperor also drained the life force of Nathema, giving him immortality. Healing your wounds is not really what it is used for, to be honest. It rather deals with other aspects.

I've never known this to happen???

DarthAnt66 is correct here, for the most part.

The use of Drain Life revitalizes the user, rejuvenating their stamina and vigor. The act of using drained Force energy to heal is a separate ability all together, known as Dark Healing. Speaking of which, Malak's Drain actually siphons both the life force and the force energies from the captive Jedi, effectively refilling both his stamina and force reserves, strengthening him.

He's also correct in his secondary statement, that by shielding the captive Jedi in what most accurately resembles a Wall of Light, Malak could actually exhaust himself in attempt to siphon energy from them. Revan can also destroy the pods, which limits Malak's resources. BTW, this leads me to believe that perhaps the defense against Force Drain is effectively to encase oneself in a Wall of Light...

And finally, he's also correct in saying that Darth Malak was not as helpless as he is made out to be. As he's already pointed out, the duel between Darth Revan and Darth Malak was noted as "desperate", which brings up the implication that even without additional benefits Malak was comparable to (Darth) Revan.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

You serious? 😐 I was unaware I needed to teach someone how to count, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the fact that it's with you.

Cutscenes are considered canonical on this forum, as well as nearly every other. In cutscenes he visibly drains them all together. And no, killing Bendak Starkiller is not the canonical lightside path.

Or perhaps he is more skilled then you expected? 🙄

Upon re-inspection, it's obvious that Drew was referring to the contrast between pre-KOTOR and post-KOTOR Revan ala SOR.

Ah, this thread takes me back to when I actually gave a ****.

Why would anyone ask that moron about Star Wars lore?

Jesus Christ.

He wrote a horrible book about what happens in between KOTOR II and TOR, thats about it.

He was the lead writer for KotOR and wrote the Knight and Revan portions of TOR. 😬