Harrower-class starships

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Jesus H. Christ, this is quite possibly the most embarrassing and foolish thread you've ever created.

The Harrower-class is clearly intended to be evocative of the Imperial Star Destroyer for mass audiences. But though there are similarities in design and motif, both ships are not identical. Differences in dimensions and power output have already been discussed.

You're intentionally conflating similarity with total congruency for the purpose of wanking SWTOR and it's about as shameless as it gets. This is also why no one (not even your fellow SWTOR confederates) takes you seriously. It's also why I don't take any of them seriously.

An Imperial Star Destroyer > Harrower. Time to accept it and move on.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Jesus H. Christ, this is quite possibly the most embarrassing and foolish thread you've ever created.

The Harrower-class is clearly intended to be evocative of the Imperial Star Destroyer for mass audiences. But though there are similarities in design and motif, both ships are not identical. Differences in dimensions and power output have already been discussed.

You're intentionally conflating similarity with total congruency for the purpose of wanking SWTOR and it's about as shameless as it gets. This is also why no one (not even your fellow SWTOR confederates) takes you seriously. It's also why I don't take any of them seriously.

An Imperial Star Destroyer > Harrower. Time to accept it and move on.

Differences in dimensions are valid but we have no idea about power output of Harrower-class starships at the moment. What is known that they were capable of powering extremely demanding superweapons, they would have tremendous power output due to this factor.

I created this thread to convey all known information to the readers about Harrier-class starships, nothing wrong with it.

Imperial Star Destroyer > Harrower in standard package in some ways but not modified models.

Seriously, take these matters easy. We are discussing Sci-Fi, logic is not a strong forte of Star Wars at-least.

Desolator is a customized Harrower-class dreadnought with a superweapon on-board. 3 reactors of this starship were designated to power this weapon system alone. Starship still had other reactors on-board to run the rest of the systems.

More lies from legend.

You need to actually play games that you talk about, or you wouldn't humiliate yourself so publicly.

Originally posted by Selenial
More lies from legend.

You need to actually play games that you talk about, or you wouldn't humiliate yourself so publicly.

I have played SWTOR Jedi Knight story.

Desolator superweapon was mounted on a Harrower-class starship under command of Darth Angral to increase the starship's firepower to unprecedented scale. 3 reactors of this starship were linked to Desolator superweapon to run it. The starship had additional reactors to power its others functions.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your accusations are getting a bit too much, Selenial. I suggest you tone down your accusations.

I have played SWTOR Jedi Knight story.

Desolator superweapon was mounted on a Harrower-class starship under command of Darth Angral to increase the starship's firepower to unprecedented scale. 3 reactors of this starship were linked to Desolator superweapon to run it. The starship had additional reactors to power its others functions.

Yeh I quoted the wrong part :/

I'm talking about when you say it "Destroys a planet with one shot"

It doesn't.

It firstly creates an imbalance of elements in the atmosphere, then it ignites said atmosphere. After that it uses the shock drum to expand the hole created in the mantle until the planet falls apart.

That's not one shot, and it takes quite a long time.

Originally posted by Selenial
Yeh I quoted the wrong part :/

I'm talking about when you say it "Destroys a planet with one shot"

It doesn't.

It firstly creates an imbalance of elements in the atmosphere, then it ignites said atmosphere. After that it uses the shock drum to expand the hole created in the mantle until the planet falls apart.

That's not one shot, and it takes quite a long time.

Desolator is needed to be fired only once to devastate the planet.

The devious Sith scientist used his extraordinary knowledge and the Republic's vast resources to develop a series of powerful weapons that could turn the tide of any future war. What the Republic did not realize is that these weapons could be combined into a far more deadly device.

It fires one bolt, it doesn't one shot a planet.

Those are two different things.

You're getting confused with the English language here,
It's understandable.

Originally posted by Selenial
It fires one bolt, it doesn't one shot a planet.

Those are two different things.

You're getting confused with the English language here,
It's understandable.

Also, there is no visual depiction of Desolator's devastation process so nobody knows how quickly the weapon destroys the planet. But the weapon itself significantly surpassed the potency of all 3 powerful weapons that collectively made it possible as officially confirmed.

What you are describing is individual potency of each powerful weapon that was used in construction of planet-busting Desolator.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is one-shotting action. Fire once and forget.

Also, there is no visual depiction of Desolator's devastation process so nobody knows how quickly the weapon destroys the planet. But the weapon itself significantly surpassed the potency of all 3 powerful weapons that collectively made it possible as officially confirmed.

What you are describing is individual potency of each powerful weapon that was used in construction of planet-busting Desolator.

Again, that's incorrect.

I'm describing the action of each individual piece, and that's how it works. The death mark was a precise laser strike, one weapon ionized the atmosphere, and one caused Earthquakes. Alone they're powerful, together they destroy a planet.

And we know it takes a long time, because Satele called the Jedi Knight about Tython first, then the Knight had to shut down the ship whilst the Desolator was still being used.

Originally posted by Selenial
Again, that's incorrect.

Originally posted by Selenial
I'm describing the action of each individual piece, and that's how it works. The death mark was a precise laser strike, one weapon ionized the atmosphere, and one caused Earthquakes. Alone they're powerful, together they destroy a planet.

Desolator took the devastation potential of these 3 powerful weapons to new heights, therefore; What the Republic did not realize is that these weapons could be combined into a far more deadly device.

Originally posted by Selenial
And we know it takes a long time, because Satele called the Jedi Knight about Tython first, then the Knight had to shut down the ship whilst the Desolator was still being used.

Devastor is not a one shot planet buster like the Death Star is, and so far I have not seen anything to suggest the Harrower is close to any of the OT ships. Even worse the Harrower still exists and is even produced during modern times but have taken roles similar to the Acclamator. Finally, if you have no proof of their power output or how much damage their turbolasers produce per shot, you can't say that the Harrower is an impressive ship compared to modern standards.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Devastor is not a one shot planet buster like the Death Star is,

Death Star was more destructive in comparison but Desolator was the precursor to Death Star level firepower.

Originally posted by The Merchant
and so far I have not seen anything to suggest the Harrower is close to any of the OT ships. Even worse the Harrower still exists and is even produced during modern times but have taken roles similar to the Acclamator.

Harrower-class starships did not exist in future eras, don't make stuff up.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Finally, if you have no proof of their power output or how much damage their turbolasers produce per shot, you can't say that the Harrower is an impressive ship compared to modern standards.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Desolator was a fire and forget weapon much like Death Star, it was a one-shot weapon.

Death Star was more destructive in comparison but Desolator was the precursor to Death Star level firepower.

Harrower-class starships may not equal OT era starships in every bit of detail but they had greater customization potential and modified variants were as deadly as any vessel could get throughout history. In-fact, Desolator proved to be deadliest.

Harrower-class starships did not exist in future eras, don't make stuff up.

They are one of the most powerful and deadly starships to have ever been built, this should tell you something. They had sufficient power output to handle extremely demanding superweapons.

1) I wouldn't call the Death Star a fire-and-forget weapon. The Galaxy Gun seems to fit the description better.

2) I find it highly unlikely that while Harrower-class starships were powerful in their own time, they could be remotely comparable to the ships from the OT. Imperial Star Destroyers were the most powerful ships in the Imperial fleet, until the introduction of the Super Star Destroyer, and I see nothing to indicate Harrower-class ships could come anywhere near their power output. I'm not looking at customizations, but even so, ISDs could be customized into superweapons, as well (the Conqueror).

3) Wasn't the purpose of Palpatine using the Harrower-class as a basis for ISD design more to invoke fear than because of the capabilities of that class?

No it isn't remotely close to the Superlaser. One causes a chain of reactions that causes the planet's own destruction, while the other just throws a bunch of energy and makes it explode. One obviously requires less energy requirements than the other. Desolator can't be compared to a pure energy weapon at all, logically it uses less energy to destroy a planet then the Death Star. The Desolator was deadly but it isn't capable of causing damage to other ships, read the effects. A Ship does not have an atmosphere nor can you induce seismic activity on it. It basically causes a bunch of chain reactions on a planet, causing chain reactions by using something else's materials requires less energy, understand? The Harrower class did exist during the OT era, or at the very least the schematics still existed. Saying that they're upgadable doesn't mean much, because a Star Destroyer can be upgradable to destroy whole planets. The Eclipse can destroy planets as well. Finally, being called one of the most powerful and deadly starships ever is what Imperial Star destroyers have been called too, and you can equip them with superweapons that are far more dealy and consume more power.

Originally posted by The Merchant
No it isn't remotely close to the Superlaser. One causes a chain of reactions that causes the planet's own destruction, while the other just throws a bunch of energy and makes it explode. One obviously requires less energy requirements than the other. Desolator can't be compared to a pure energy weapon at all, logically it uses less energy to destroy a planet then the Death Star. The Desolator was deadly but it isn't capable of causing damage to other ships, read the effects. A Ship does not have an atmosphere nor can you induce seismic activity on it. It basically causes a bunch of chain reactions on a planet, causing chain reactions by using something else's materials requires less energy, understand?

3 different technologies were coupled together to realize a Desolator superweapon but it is far more deadly then even those 3 technologies put together.

Silencer is a sister variant of Desolator but much more efficient in the sense that it charged much more quickly and was more practical for space related confrontations due to this reason. When a Republic fleet was dispatched to destroy Doombriger, the latter eliminated the entire fleet with a single blast.

Here is a picture or these super energy beams: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130206031821/starwars/images/f/f6/Silencertest.jpg

Powerful fleet-destroying technology, the Silencer is a ship-mounted cannon designed to be fired over long ranges. The visible energy beam created by the Silencer is capable of obliterating capital ships, but more significant is the beam's blossoming effect–a rippling wave of radiation cascading outward from the beam with range and destructive power sufficient to destroy an entire enemy armada. (SWTOR)

Originally posted by The Merchant
The Harrower class did exist during the OT era, or at the very least the schematics still existed. Saying that they're upgadable doesn't mean much, because a Star Destroyer can be upgradable to destroy whole planets. The Eclipse can destroy planets as well. Finally, being called one of the most powerful and deadly starships ever is what Imperial Star destroyers have been called too, and you can equip them with superweapons that are far more dealy and consume more power.

I have noted that Eclipse-class starship was equipped with superlaser. Not sure about its firepower potential but it should be potent enough to destroy any vessel in a single blast. Though its presumed planet-busting potential have not been demonstrated, if it has then I would appreciate an example.

I never doubted the fact that ISDs are one of the most powerful and deadly starships ever designed, they certainly are. And yes, they could be customized as well since Conqueror is an example. Though Conqueror had to undergo massive changes to be equipped with a superweapon like that of Doombringer. Harrower-class starships were designed in the manner that potential modifications would not require massive re-design of the vessels.

In the nutshell, Harrower-class starship represented a major breakthrough in the starship design in history.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
1) I wouldn't call the Death Star a fire-and-forget weapon. The Galaxy Gun seems to fit the description better.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
2) I find it highly unlikely that while Harrower-class starships were powerful in their own time, they could be remotely comparable to the ships from the OT. Imperial Star Destroyers were the most powerful ships in the Imperial fleet, until the introduction of the Super Star Destroyer, and I see nothing to indicate Harrower-class ships could come anywhere near their power output. I'm not looking at customizations, but even so, ISDs could be customized into superweapons, as well (the Conqueror).

The stock variant of Harrower-class starship was very close to capabilities of an ISD. Modified variants of the former matched or surpassed even the mightiest of ISD in firepower aspects.

Customization potential of ISD is not in doubt but they had to undergo significant re-design to be modified with superweapons unlike the Harrowers.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
3) Wasn't the purpose of Palpatine using the Harrower-class as a basis for ISD design more to invoke fear than because of the capabilities of that class?