Originally posted by Selenial
When he says ROTS, I don't think he means the mangled husk you see on the floor. Padme wouldn't do anything, that whole scene won't have happened.
BTW I responded to your other post on the previous page in case you didn't notice.
Originally posted by Selenial
You seem to be forgetting how powerful Anakin became with his rage.Ripped through Ventress' force barriers like nobody's business.
I'd give this to Zannah, but I think her illusions will just enrage him, and unlike his fight with Kenobi, it won't be unbalanced rage. It'll be slaughter a thousand sand people, or outduel 100 Jedi type rage.
Skywalker takes this.
Why would it enrage him instead of fill him with fear and dread like it did Bane? As I pointed out, Dooku Don Much'd him easily in the novel. Anakin is very unsure about his emotions and is highly unstable.
Um....wasn't he known for resisting the Dark Reaper Tech? didn't Ulic say that he had to be very strong in the Mental department? I mean Yeah Zannah has her illlusions, but you guys are making her up to be like the Son - like She's gonna show Anakin his future self. Just my two cents no need for any mad raging.
He wasn't resisting the Reaper, he was replenishing his force reserves at the same rate it was draining him. Zannah obviously isn't the Son, but her specialty is breaking the minds of her opponents and turning their own crippling fears against them. Something I see Anakin as especially vulnerable to given his many, many issues.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He wasn't resisting the Reaper, he was replenishing his force reserves at the same rate it was draining him. Zannah obviously isn't the Son, but her specialty is breaking the minds of her opponents and turning their own crippling fears against them. Something I see Anakin as especially vulnerable to given his many, many issues.
True enough, but I see Anakin besting her in a duel and her having to resort to her powers last. that said I'm still going with Anakin. if only to spite Emperordmb XD
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see Anakin getting through her lightsaber defense myself. But then, I see no real reason she couldn't raise her hand and attack his mind right at the start and skipping the tedious duel all together.
Are you trying to say Zannah > Kenobi in terms of Lightsaber Defense?
Cause that's just ridiculous, and wrong on so many levels.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
What you think illusions designed to rip his mind apart will some how leave him with a focused rage?
Yup.
We don't ever see Anakin just sit on the floor and weep, Kenobi Style. If Maul had stabbed Padme in front of him Maul would end up a grease spot on the wall.
He turns anguish into hate, as all good Sith do.
Originally posted by Selenial
And that Dun Moch ended up getting Dooku killed...
No it didn't. 😬
Palpatine chiming in after Anakin had gone to shit because of the Don Moch, to encourage him to embrace his anger got Dooku killed.
Originally posted by Selenial
Are you trying to say Zannah > Kenobi in terms of Lightsaber Defense?Cause that's just ridiculous, and wrong on so many levels.
Anakin didn't get through Obi-Wan's defense so why does it matter?
Also, yes I am. 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin didn't get through Obi-Wan's defense so why does it matter?Also, yes I am. 😉
It does matter, because Anakin COULD have gotten through his defenses, without the severe mental anguish.
And no, Illusions won't bring the same effect as actually killing your own wife and Son/Daughter.
You need help my friend 🙁 starwars
Originally posted by Selenial
Dooku was dead either way, he would have been executed.Palpatine just stopped Dooku babbling about the whole sitch first.
Was that a concession? It's hard to tell.
Anakin wouldn't have been able to break Dooku like he did or cut off his hands without Palpatine enabling him to harness his anger. So no, Dooku's Dun Moch didn't get himself killed.
Originally posted by Selenial
It does matter, because Anakin COULD have gotten through his defenses, without the severe mental anguish.And no, Illusions won't bring the same effect as actually killing your own wife and Son/Daughter.
You need help my friend 🙁 starwars
Which obviously won't play ANY factor in this thread.
Anakin didn't think he'd killed Padme so that wasn't causing him anguish in his fight with Obi-Wan. And yes, Illusions will debilitate Anakin. Bane was huddled on the floor swatting at the air and he knew what was coming, had studied her sorcery a head of time, knew that it wasn't real and has far greater mental prowess and willpower than Anakin does. Anakin will be confronted with his worst fears and nightmares and will utterly crumble before them.
Do I? Obi-Wan isn't one of the most powerful Sith to ever live, nor has he ever adequately fought and defended against a Sith as fast and powerful as Bane. Zannah's defense is described as almost impenetrable, you underestimate her severely.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Was that a concession? It's hard to tell.Anakin wouldn't have been able to break Dooku like he did or cut off his hands without Palpatine enabling him to harness his anger. So no, Dooku's Dun Moch didn't get himself killed.
No it wasn't a concession.
I'm not sure what film you watched, but Palpatine only told him to "kill Dooku" right after Skywalker cut off his hands and had his blades around Dooku's neck.
Originally posted by NephthysDo I? Obi-Wan isn't one of the most powerful Sith to ever live, nor has he ever adequately fought and defended against a Sith as fast and powerful as Bane. Zannah's defense is described as almost impenetrable, you underestimate her severely.
I'm not going to debate the Illusions anymore, since neither of us are going to back down.
I'd rather debate on how easy it is for her to use them, when one of the greatest offensive duelists of all time is pressing her defense.
Also no, believe it or not Obi-Won isn't one of the most powerful sith to ever live 😮
But he is described as the greatest Master of Soresu to ever live.