Darth Zannah vs. Anakin Skywalker ROTS

Originally posted by Selenial
No it wasn't a concession.

I'm not sure what film you watched, but Palpatine only told him to "kill Dooku" right after Skywalker cut off his hands and had his blades around Dooku's neck.

Oh, so now the novels version of events aren't valid huh? I see. I'll have to remember that.

Originally posted by Selenial
I'm not going to debate the Illusions anymore, since neither of us are going to back down.

I'd rather debate on how easy it is for her to use them, when one of the greatest offensive duelists of all time is pressing her defense.

Also no, believe it or not Obi-Won isn't one of the most powerful sith to ever live 😮
But he is described as the greatest Master of Soresu to ever live.

As I said, it's easy enough for her to raise her hand to perform the spell. She does it against Set Harth when he charges her from mere feet away in DoE. And she managed to pull it off against Bane, who is also "one of the greatest offensive duelists of all time". While she was wounded. She can do it.

Really? I only recall him being described as THE master of the form by Mace Windu. Who is well known for throwing out extravagant, hyperbolic praise like candy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh, so now the novels version of events aren't valid huh? I see. I'll have to remember that.

Really? I only recall him being described as THE master of the form by Mace Windu. Who is well known for throwing out extravagant, hyperbolic praise like candy.

I was taking a leaf out of your books, if people on this forum won't take any part of the Novel that isn't mentioned in the films seriously, then why should I?

And no, Mace isn't known for that. Mace is rarely known for praise, it's just when he does praise people, it's for good things.

Besides, holding off Maul + Savage = Master of Soresu.

Besides, holding off Maul + Savage = Master of Soresu.

It was much better than Kao Cen Darach's performance, in any case. 😛

Originally posted by Selenial
I was taking a leaf out of your books, if people on this forum won't take any part of the Novel that isn't mentioned in the films seriously, then why should I?

And no, Mace isn't known for that. Mace is rarely known for praise, it's just when he does praise people, it's for good things.

Besides, holding off Maul + Savage = Master of Soresu.

Hehe, that's fair enough. Ok, so the Dun Moch is out. But I still maintain that Anakin is unstable and has enough issues and fears to be easily affected.

Mace suggested Depa Billiba was more skilled than himself.... right before he beat her. And said that he couldn't hope to beat Vastor on his best day while comparing him to Yoda.... and then beat him while wounded. At any rate his opinion is irrelevant. He can't compare Kenobi to every Soresu user in history with any degree of accuracy, that's absurd. And he definitely can't compare Kenobi's skills against Zannah considering he doesn't even know she existed.

Kenobi held off Maul and Savage by going on the offensive though. Look at the fight and tell me how many times he's fighting defensively. He's jumping between them, driving Maul off with a kick and wild swings and attacking them separately/kicking Savage in the leg. Hell, by my estimation Kenobi was using more Ataru than Soresu in that fight. And they were hindered by the cramped environment and weren't trying to kill him. But I'm not disagreeing that Kenobi is a Master of Soresu. Of course he is. However, Zannah is simply more powerful than he is, her lightsaber style has an incredible amount of defensiveness and her feat of defending against Bane is superior to what Kenobi has done.

Kenobi might be better overall in terms of mastery of Soresu, but her defensive capabilities are superior. Who's got the better defense, Kenobi or Sidious? Sidious. Because he's just more powerful, faster and all around better than Kenobi is despite not being as "skilled" in that area as him. Sidious can simply put out a level of defense that Kenobi cannot achieve. Same with Zannah.

Nephthys, Kenobi successfully blocked every saber attack from Grievous in RotS without so much as a scratch. While. Grievous may not have been as strong as Bane was, he was much faster and had many more angles of attack than Bane did. So the point that Kenobi has no comparable defensive feats to Zannah defending against Bane is not entirely true.

Originally posted by jmoul
Grievous may not have been as strong as Bane was, he was much faster

Originally posted by jmoul
So the point that Kenobi has no comparable defensive feats to Zannah defending against Bane is not entirely true.

He fought faster than Obi wan perceived, struck 20 times per second, moved fast enough to form his sabers as a tornado that overwhelmed the senses of multiple force users at once, and kept up with Jedi masters unamped. He is faster than Bane easily.

Originally posted by jmoul
Nephthys, Kenobi successfully blocked every saber attack from Grievous in RotS without so much as a scratch. While. Grievous may not have been as strong as Bane was, he was much faster and had many more angles of attack than Bane did. So the point that Kenobi has no comparable defensive feats to Zannah defending against Bane is not entirely true.

Grievous isn't faster than Bane and Kenobi didn't block his attacks through speed anyway so whatever.

Originally posted by carthage
He fought faster than Obi wan perceived, struck 20 times per second, moved fast enough to form his sabers as a tornado that overwhelmed the senses of multiple force users at once, and kept up with Jedi masters unamped. He is faster than Bane easily.

I remember Bane having a similar feat.

Originally posted by Sinious
I remember Bane having a similar feat.

I think you meant Kas'im, and that was on a nexus.

Originally posted by carthage
I think you meant Kas'im, and that was on a nexus.

Oh true. Bane was defending then?

He was more or less on the run the entire time, but yeah he defended against some of the blows.

No no no, the ten strikes a second thing was prior to the Jar'kai thing.