Reborn Krayt and Darth Malgus vs Mace Windu and Obi Wan ROTS

Originally posted by Selenial
1) That's your opinion, manneyus.

2) No it doesn't, It just goes into way more detail.

3) Actually, I came to this forum to annoy LeGenD, and have a place where I could constantly put this down. Unless you're trying to tell me that LeGenD is always correct? And I don't mock everyones opinions, just LeGenD's, sometimes Ant, and you.
And stop acting like that's not a common sight on these boards anyway.

1) Not really an opinion when something is stated in the text. Whether it was Vapaads limits or Windu's is irrelevant. The limit is there and Mace was pushed to it.

2) I already explained the contradiction to you. It isn't "more detail" when the detail in the novel directly contradicts the details of the movie. Mace wasn't "choking on ozone" or having his lightsaber bent back towards his face, he was constantly pressing further towards Sidious right up to Sidious fizzling out.

3) Legend is not always correct and I call him out on his BS when I see it. But since you admit to mocking me, I find it funny that you take offense at my perceived disrespect.

Mockery is common here, yes. I just hadn't expected hostility from you. I guess I should of.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
People don't seem to understand that it's just not that easy. Otherwise Ven Zallow would have been dispelled casually by Malgus as well. Dooku and Maul would flick Obi-Wan away at the start of every fight.

It seemed pretty easy when Dooku pwned Anakin and Ventress with lightning when they charged him.

Malgus couldn't dispatch Zallow that easily. In the novel when they first clash "Their blades sizzling in opposition, each used the Force to press against the strength of the other, but neither had an obvious advantage." It's why I rate Zallow so highly.

Likewise Maul can't dominate Obi-Wan that easily, true. But Dooku only doesn't do it because Anakin is always there, imo.

Originally posted by Selenial
[B]But there is a difference in the force aspects of the Force Speed that all Vapaad wielders use, and the rage, to the way Windu used it in his duel with Sidious.

Here's the thing. Normal Vapaad applications are lightning speed using the force to bolster, and channeling your own dark energies.

In his fight with Sidious, he had no choice but to fully embrace his Dark Energies, and that in turn made him stronger. This strength made Sidious more angry, which in turn fed Windu, and the cycle continued to repeat, allowing them both to reach heights of power that neither had ever shown before, culminating in a stalemate where Sidious threw everything he had at Windu, and Windu barely overcoming it.

It's untold levels of Vapaad, but if you get Malgus and Krayt fueling their hatred at the same time he could reach it once more.

So yes, the limits Sidious and Mace reached were their own limits, and the limits of the Dark Side itself.