If nice guys finish last?

Started by Tzeentch4 pages

Without going to deep into the rabbit hole of "what constitutes nice and not-nice", I remember reading a study a few years ago that came to the conclusion that individuals with less of a conscience and less empathy for others possess an advantage in business and political environments.

Which does make a certain amount of sense. We live in a competitive society that doesn't really condemn dishonest practices. The average person would probably say that they disapprove of lying and manipulation, yet simultaneously the average person would also probably acknowledge that both practices are rife within politics and business, and feel ambivalence about it. Despite seeing dishonesty as immoral, most people accept that being dishonest is simply "part of the game" when it comes to these ventures.

The result of this dynamic is that someone who is willing to be dishonest can reap the rewards of making that extra effort with little risks- whereas someone who limits themselves to "honest living" is protecting themselves from an ostracism that doesn't really exist, and they don't really gain a whole lot in return. I feel like there's enough real world examples -the Thomas Edisons, Apple/Microsofts and Dick Cheneys of the World- to support that.

edit- To clarify, when I say dishonest I'm not referring to criminal acts. Obviously, "prison" is a possible consequence of that kind of dishonesty.

So, is there a question here?

Is the question an implied "do nice guys finish last?" If so, then on average, i'd say its even. Both nice and not nice people get a lot of press, but the media cant cover all society.

Is this just an observation? If so, there's nothing wrong with it.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Without going to deep into the rabbit hole of "what constitutes nice and not-nice", I remember reading a study a few years ago that came to the conclusion that individuals with less of a conscience and less empathy for others possess an advantage in business and political environments.

Which does make a certain amount of sense. We live in a competitive society that doesn't really condemn dishonest practices. The average person would probably say that they disapprove of lying and manipulation, yet simultaneously the average person would also probably acknowledge that both practices are rife within politics and business, and feel ambivalence about it. Despite seeing dishonesty as immoral, most people accept that being dishonest is simply "part of the game" when it comes to these ventures.

The result of this dynamic is that someone who is willing to be dishonest can reap the rewards of making that extra effort with little risks- whereas someone who limits themselves to "honest living" is protecting themselves from an ostracism that doesn't really exist, and they don't really gain a whole lot in return. I feel like there's enough real world examples -the Thomas Edisons, Apple/Microsofts and Dick Cheneys of the World- to support that.

Sociopaths are some of the most outwardly nice people I've ever met though.

Exactly.

On a separate topic, how did you know they were sociopaths? They told you "I am a sociopath"?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Without going to deep into the rabbit hole of "what constitutes nice and not-nice", I remember reading a study a few years ago that came to the conclusion that individuals with less of a conscience and less empathy for others possess an advantage in business and political environments.

Which does make a certain amount of sense. We live in a competitive society that doesn't really condemn dishonest practices. The average person would probably say that they disapprove of lying and manipulation, yet simultaneously the average person would also probably acknowledge that both practices are rife within politics and business, and feel ambivalence about it. Despite seeing dishonesty as immoral, most people accept that being dishonest is simply "part of the game" when it comes to these ventures.

The result of this dynamic is that someone who is willing to be dishonest can reap the rewards of making that extra effort with little risks- whereas someone who limits themselves to "honest living" is protecting themselves from an ostracism that doesn't really exist, and they don't really gain a whole lot in return. I feel like there's enough real world examples -the Thomas Edisons, Apple/Microsofts and Dick Cheneys of the World- to support that.

edit- To clarify, when I say dishonest I'm not referring to criminal acts. Obviously, "prison" is a possible consequence of that kind of dishonesty.

Well worded 👆

I've seen moral degenerates climb the business ladder because they were moral degenerates.

Heh.
Hopefully this'll get more replies and what the heck you're asking will become clearer.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Exactly.

On a separate topic, how did you know they were sociopaths? They told you "I am a sociopath"?

They told me that they want no one else to succeed. They hate most people. There are times when they look at people and see nothing worth liking. They want to earn enough money that they can get away from everyone.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Exactly.

On a separate topic, how did you know they were sociopaths? They told you "I am a sociopath"?

He just assumes everyone that's nice is a sociopath...

Originally posted by NemeBro
They told me that they want no one else to succeed. They hate most people. There are times when they look at people and see nothing worth liking. They want to earn enough money that they can get away from everyone.

Last family reunion?

I don't have a family.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He just assumes everyone that's nice is a sociopath...

I was nice to him and sent him shitloads of ebooks...

Originally posted by Robtard
I was nice to him and sent him shitloads of ebooks...
But you're also outwardly mean to the mentally handicapped.

Wut

Originally posted by Robtard
Wut
Irony.

Originally posted by NemeBro
They told me that they want no one else to succeed. They hate most people. There are times when they look at people and see nothing worth liking. They want to earn enough money that they can get away from everyone.
Were they sharply dressed?

That's the real indication of a personality disorder.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Were they sharply dressed?

That's the real indication of a personality disorder.

Do you wear your dress clothes in the bedroom?

It'd be a shame if I didn't.

Pronounced: Tuh-zinch

If nice guys finish last, wtf kinda game are we playing?

How bout I finish last on your face during your bukake? Cya at 7.