Ozymandias vs Captain America

Originally posted by h1a8
Your analogy is faulty because
1. It's impossible to catch a bullet at close range by luck.
2. The writer intended on Ozy being fast enough to move his hands in relation to the speed of the bullets and able to perceive the bullet.

The speed in which someone can move their hand and the speed in which they can perceive motion plays a large role in combat.

Even if Ozy chooses to move his hands at the speed he showed while in combat then Cap still wouldn't be able to land a blow. Ozy would view Cap as a slow turtle due to his perception speed and be able to counter anything Cap throws.

I have been over the perception argument before as well..
Baseball players don't see a 100+ mile per hour baseball in slow motion when they swing and hit the ball. The swing is a calculated guess, along with experience and practice hitting balls at that speed.
There is no slow motion perception.

Didn't you claim some ridiculous shit while trying to defend your agreement, that you played baseball and saw things in slow motion lol.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I have been over the perception argument before as well..
Baseball players don't see a 100+ mile per hour baseball in slow motion when they swing and hit the ball. The swing is a calculated guess, along with experience and practice hitting balls at that speed.
There is no slow motion perception.

Didn't you claim some ridiculous shit while trying to defend your agreement, that you played baseball and saw things in slow motion lol.

😂 h1...

Originally posted by h1a8
He implied luck with the chopstick analogy. Tell you what, let him defend himself since he's the most qualified person to know what he means.

How do I know this?
You never explained how nothing I said refuted your point.
You have to address the things I said and explain why they are faulty.

Just saying that they are isn't debating.

Easy, nothing you said actually addressed my points.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is MCU Cap, not comic Cap. Try again.

ya'll need to listen to ben...

cap killed ozy ages ago

What about Jeremy Irons HBO Ozymandias vs Old Man Rogers Endgame Captain America?

Let's do a play-by-play:
- Ozy vs First Avenger Cap: Close match-up, could go either way.
- Ozy vs FA + Avenbers 1 Cap: Same story as above, but Cap has a few more feats. I'll start giving it Cap with difficulty here.
- Ozy vs FA + A1 + WS Cap: Cap starts putting Ozy to sleep rather easily here.
- Ozy vs FA + A1 + WS + A2 Cap: Cap has now moved into undoubtedly legit superhuman territory with Age of Ultron. To quote Patches O'Hoolihan, "If you can throw an Ultron, you can throw an Ozy." Ozy starts losing hard, and it only gets worse from here.
- Ozy vs FA + A1 + WS + A2 + CW Cap: Cap brutalizes Ozy.
- Ozy vs FA + A1 + WS + A2 + CW + IW Cap: Cap has now fought more alien fodder and a dude who took it took a robot Superman to kill in Corvus Glaive along with taking . Ozy is downed even worse than before.
- Ozy vs FA + A1 + WS + A2 + CW + IW + EG Cap: Cap now has Mjolnir to complement his shield. Steve has also gone melee with Thanos better than anyone in the MCU's timeline. Ozy gets beaten into another dimension. Steve also gives his Avengers 1 self a slight boost by allowing him a win over his older post-Civil War and IW self, so now Avengers Steve stomps Ozy.

And thus, we come to the end of this journey. It has been a good decade, but it's time to put old Yeller down here.

Ozy dies effortlessly

Originally posted by Inhuman
I have been over the perception argument before as well..
Baseball players don't see a 100+ mile per hour baseball in slow motion when they swing and hit the ball. The swing is a calculated guess, along with experience and practice hitting balls at that speed.
There is no slow motion perception.

Didn't you claim some ridiculous shit while trying to defend your agreement, that you played baseball and saw things in slow motion lol.

There is slower motion perception (perception speed differs in individuals), it's proven in science with the fly. The faster the brain processes something, the slower the perception of it relative to someone else.

I also proved it by experience. Fastballs were perceived BY ME to be a lot slower than they used to be when I played baseball through the years.

Why do you think ALL MOVIES AND Shows display speedsters with the ability to see things slower than a normal HUMAN? Why does flash, Superman, QS, WW, etc view things in slow motion?
Are they wrong and you are correct?

Lastly, if you can perceive a bullet then you can perceive a punch many times easier. Doesn't matter if you see it in slow motion or not. The outcome is still the same. So basically your argument does not refute the conclusion that Ozy will defend against any attack made by Cap with ease.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Easy, nothing you said actually addressed my points.

You never made a point. You asked a question while ignoring the things that addressed it.

Fact1: It takes lesser speed to block an attack than the speed of the attack. Therefore, it is not a question of whether Ozy is fast enough to defend against Cap (even if Ozy purposely moved slower).

Fact2: Ozy has the perception speed to easily perceive motion from Cap. Cap would be like a slow moving turtle in comparison.

Yes I did, my point was that moving your arm once while outside of combat isn't proof that you can fight at that speed and as of now, you still haven't refuted it.

Are you done ignoring and lying about my points? are you actually going to start addressing my points? remember, according to you. ignoring points is what a troll does.

Originally posted by h1a8
We have to agree to no trolling. That includes IGNORING QUESTIONS and statements. You just ignored my post

So, are you done being a troll?

I wonder if H1 can catch a bullet in a years time. I’ll do the testing by shooting him.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is slower motion perception (perception speed differs in individuals), it's proven in science with the fly. The faster the brain processes something, the slower the perception of it relative to someone else.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-the-human-brain-tracks-a-100-mph-fastball-55036022/

https://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/mariners-preview/science/

As I said previously.... The swing is a calculated guess, along with experience and practice hitting balls at that speed.

There is no slow motion viewing of a super fast traveling object by a human.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes I did, my point was that moving your arm once while outside of combat isn't proof that you can fight at that speed and as of now, you still haven't refuted it.

Are you done ignoring and lying about my points? are you actually going to start addressing my points? remember, according to you. ignoring points is what a troll does.

So, are you done being a troll?

But why ask if Ozy can move AT THE SAME SPEED he can outside of combat (bullet catching is combat though)? I never claimed Ozy will move at that speed. He can move at 50% of that speed and be fine. He can move slightly slower than Cap and be fine.

At this point you are trolling.

Originally posted by Inhuman
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-the-human-brain-tracks-a-100-mph-fastball-55036022/

https://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/mariners-preview/science/

As I said previously.... The swing is a calculated guess, along with experience and practice hitting balls at that speed.

There is no slow motion viewing of a super fast traveling object by a human.

Red herring. How a human hits a 100mph has nothing to do with different beings with different processing speeds.

I stated that every being processes information at different speeds. The speed a being processes information creates their perception speed. The reaction times of say a toddler is far slower than the average adult. The reaction time of some animals is faster than the average adult. I can go on.

A fly perceives motion far slower than a human. This is proven in science.

An experience baseball player perceives a fastball far slower than a beginner (although it's a calculated guess to hit it).
I even told you that a fastball is now perceived by me much slower than when I first started playing. I wasn't arguing that I or Ozy has the ability to slow down time, but rather time FEELS slower (because of our processing speed) than what it used to be when reacting to stuff. If you don't believe me then there is no need for you to debate with a liar and be on your way.

Basically your argument is that every being processes and perceives motion exactly the same.

Originally posted by h1a8
Red herring. How a human hits a 100mph has nothing to do with different beings with different processing speeds.

I stated that every being processes information at different speeds. The speed a being processes information creates their perception speed. The reaction times of say a toddler is far slower than the average adult. The reaction time of some animals is faster than the average adult. I can go on.

A fly perceives motion far slower than a human. This is proven in science.

You're correct, flies perceive time more slowly than humans as measured by the "critical flicker fusion frequency" tests. But this was strongly correlated to the size of the animal in the tests.

However, a child perceives time more slowly than an adult due to this fact and there is evidence of this. So you're wrong, there. This is proven in science.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/sep/16/time-passes-slowly-flies-study

Originally posted by h1a8
An experience baseball player perceives a fastball far slower than a beginner (although it's a calculated guess to hit it).
I even told you that a fastball is now perceived by me much slower than when I first started playing. I wasn't arguing that I or Ozy has the ability to slow down time, but rather time FEELS slower (because of our processing speed) than what it used to be when reacting to stuff. If you don't believe me then there is no need for you to debate with a liar and be on your way.

Basically your argument is that every being processes and perceives motion exactly the same.

You're confusing involuntary physiological and neurological facts with training. You cannot ever train yourself to have a higher critical flicker fusion frequency. It's set by your biology. What you can do, at best, is what Silent Master said: training to react.

Ozymandias used to demo his bullet catching to large crowds.

It was more like 3 bullets.

I decided to test Ozymandias' bullet catching out. So I went back in time to 1972, and asked him to show me. Right when he went to [catch the bullet] (at the first movement I saw from his fist), I slapped his face, put some bullets in his other hand just so I could take them out to prove how much better I was than Ozymandias, then I smacked his left buttock all before I went back to the original position to [catch the bullet I fired from my gun].

He looked right into my eyes, with utter shock. I just smirked right back at him for about 5 awkward seconds. Then I made the classic monkey "ooooooooooo!" sound that Ozymandias usually does. Then he relaxed his face and faintly smiled and said, "awww, I see. You are a martial artist as well. I wasn't certain until you made the monkey sound."

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're correct, flies perceive time more slowly than humans as measured by the "critical flicker fusion frequency" tests. But this was strongly correlated to the size of the animal in the tests.

However, a child perceives time more slowly than an adult due to this fact and there is evidence of this. So you're wrong, there. This is proven in science.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/sep/16/time-passes-slowly-flies-study

You're confusing involuntary physiological and neurological facts with training. You cannot ever train yourself to have a higher critical flicker fusion frequency. It's set by your biology. What you can do, at best, is what Silent Master said: training to react.

Ozymandias used to demo his bullet catching to large crowds.

It was more like 3 bullets.

I decided to test Ozymandias' bullet catching out. So I went back in time to 1972, and asked him to show me. Right when he went to [catch the bullet] (at the first movement I saw from his fist), I slapped his face, put some bullets in his other hand just so I could take them out to prove how much better I was than Ozymandias, then I smacked his left buttock all before I went back to the original position to [catch the bullet I fired from my gun].

He looked right into my eyes, with utter shock. I just smirked right back at him for about 5 awkward seconds. Then I made the classic monkey "ooooooooooo!" sound that Ozymandias usually does. Then he relaxed his face and faintly smiled and said, "awww, I see. You are a martial artist as well. I wasn't certain until you made the monkey sound."

Well the fly argument proves it. Nothing more needs to be said. Thank you.

No, children view shit FASTER than adults. I don't need to see any other evidence because I have experience. Shit moving appears slower to me than what it did when I was a child. This is a fact. Children gets hit in the face with a ball more because they can't respond in time. Whether children actually view shit as slower or faster is irrelevant since to them THEY FEEL IT IS FASTER. It's about how what they believe they are seeing and not what they are actually seeing. Yes they can improve with training but it's up to you to prove why shit will appear slower than before.

Anyway, a human brain cannot perceive a bullet in real life. Therefore Ozy has some supernatural ability (higher critical fusion flickering). Therefore he must be viewing motion much slower than a normal human. Otherwise you can't explain how his brain can processes shit far faster than a human can.

And the latter part of your post is merely trolling. None of that happened or will happen (even if Ozy exists).

...meanwhile H1 still can’t spell “lifeforms” correctly.

Originally posted by h1a8
But why ask if Ozy can move [u]AT THE SAME SPEED he can outside of combat (bullet catching is combat though)? I never claimed Ozy will move at that speed. He can move at 50% of that speed and be fine. He can move slightly slower than Cap and be fine.

At this point you are trolling.

You're using that one feat to claim that Ozy won't be touched in the fight, so far you haven't proven he can fight at even 20% of that speed.

To sum up, you're engaging in speculation, which you stated is against the rules.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well the fly argument proves it. Nothing more needs to be said. Thank you.

And yet...you continue to "said" something else.

Originally posted by h1a8
No, children view shit FASTER than adults. I don't need to see any other evidence because I have experience. Shit moving appears slower to me than what it did when I was a child. This is a fact. Children gets hit in the face with a ball more because they can't respond in time. Whether children actually view shit as slower or faster is irrelevant since to them THEY FEEL IT IS FASTER. It's about how what they believe they are seeing and not what they are actually seeing. Yes they can improve with training but it's up to you to prove why shit will appear slower than before.

It doesn't matter what you think or feel. Until you can prove it with actual critical flicker fusion frequency test results, you're guaranteed to not have perceptions that are as "frequent" as a small child's.

But you could be a super mutant with your eyeballs sitting VERY close to your somatosensory cortex reducing processing time (because the speed of "nerves" is finite) to help you be this super amazing human that percieves time more slowly than other adult humans.

Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway, a human brain cannot perceive a bullet in real life. Therefore Ozy has some supernatural ability (higher critical fusion flickering). Therefore he must be viewing motion much slower than a normal human. Otherwise you can't explain how his brain can processes shit far faster than a human can.

And the latter part of your post is merely trolling. None of that happened or will happen (even if Ozy exists).

Or what Silent Master said: predicting the trajectory of the bullet and catching it based off of his ability to see where someone is shooting.

Also, you never addressed what I said about me personally testing Ozy's bullet catching feats. Until you can overcome those arguments, nothing you say matters.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And yet...you continue to "said" something else.

It doesn't matter what you think or feel. Until you can prove it with actual critical flicker fusion frequency test results, you're guaranteed to not have perceptions that are as "frequent" as a small child's.

But you could be a super mutant with your eyeballs sitting VERY close to your somatosensory cortex reducing processing time (because the speed of "nerves" is finite) to help you be this super amazing human that percieves time more slowly than other adult humans.

Or what Silent Master said: predicting the trajectory of the bullet and catching it based off of his ability to see where someone is shooting.

Also, you never addressed what I said about me personally testing Ozy's bullet catching feats. Until you can overcome those arguments, nothing you say matters.

Ozy will view Cap in slow motion (almost as a statue). His brain processes information far faster than a human. Nothing more needs to be said.

You testing Ozy's bullet catching feats is a ficticious story, not an argument.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're using that one feat to claim that Ozy won't be touched in the fight, so far you haven't proven he can fight at even 20% of that speed.

To sum up, you're engaging in speculation, which you stated is against the rules.

That one feat proves perception. I said that Ozy can move slower than Cap and be fine.

No speculation, just you ignoring my points.