Darth Nox and Darth Malgus vs. Reborn Krayt and Darth Wyyrlok

Started by carthage2 pages

Darth Nox and Darth Malgus vs. Reborn Krayt and Darth Wyyrlok

Krayt must die.

Force, sabers, all out

*Nox and Wyyrlok are prepped

Battle takes place in Freedon Nadd's tomb

Malgus wipes the floor with Wyyrlok and Nox holds off Krayt.

Team 1 takes this.

Team 2, Krayt lives to die, again, another day.

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus wipes the floor with Wyyrlok and Nox holds off Krayt.

Wouldn't it be more logical to have warrior vs warrior, sorcerer vs sorcerer? I.e. Kry vs Malgs, Nox vs Wyrs?

Originally posted by Q99
Wouldn't it be more logical to have warrior vs warrior, sorcerer vs sorcerer? I.e. Kry vs Malgs, Nox vs Wyrs?

Even in that scenario Nox is still more potent fully prepped than Wyyrlok. Thanaton's lightning was more potent and Nox shrugged it off, fully prepped his/her spells are very destructive if not more so than Wyyrlok's illusions and lightning. Nox would defeat Wyyrlok in a force match, and the only advantage he has in terms of sabers is marginal at best.

While I've conceded that Krayt is more powerful and skilled than Malgus overall, he isn't going to one shot him. Nox and Malgus are too much for Krayt on his own

I do agree that Nox may be the decider here- while not without struggle, his spirit sorcery is pretty hax.

Nox, while powerful, can't shrug off having a saber through the face. Nox is also a novice of the Dark Side, having only been learning the Force for 3ish years, they don't know as much as most of the Inquisitors of the Dark Council.

Wyyrlok is only a slightly better duelist, perhaps above Thanaton by a bit due to his duel with Krayt. Nox has raw power that surpasses him by quite a bit, imo the gulf between Wyyrlok's dueling ability is far less wide than Nox's power in the force. Wyylok as more of a sorcerer doesn't focus on saber combat as much, and it showed in his dismissal by Krayt. By the time Wyyrlok can gain an edge in sabers, Nox can hold him off and take him out with Ghost walk

Raw power means nothing when you don't know how to use it, and Nox doesn't really know how to use it. I don't know where you got that their prepped sorcery is so amazing from, and while the Force ghosts did indeed make Nox powerful, it only allowed them to become comparable to the other Sith who were trained from birth in Dark Side mastery as well as incredible endurance, which Krayt has. Nox's best bet is Lightning and Force Bubbles, and even then, I have my doubts.

I'm not sure I'd say Wyyrlok is a better swordsman. Nox beat Khem was an acolyte and could beat Sith Lords without the Force. She's a great swordsman. One source even suggests her lightsaber prowess is equal to her skill with the Force, which is considerable. And yes, she is a highly skilled Force user. Its nearly impossible to deflect Force Lightning with the Force, but Nox was skilled enough to casually slap it aside. Her skill is incredible considering how little training she has. Also, Nox handily defeated one of the best swordsman of her time so meh again on that front.

I'd say Memory Walk is a bigger threat myself. But Nox has some great telepathy feats and possesses a helmet that protects her from mental attacks so I doubt Wyyrlok would have luck there.

Nox's best bet is Lightning and Force Bubbles, and even then, I have my doubts.

Thanaton's FL has charred metal and scorched flesh. At best Wyyrlok's charred Krayt, and was used for torture on others. Nox's force shield can easily absorb it.

Raw power means nothing when you don't know how to use it, and Nox doesn't really know how to use it

He/she knows enough to utilize it to defeat council level opponents (with feats) like Thanaton. Wyyrlok is a strong opponent but he was out of his depth with Krayt, and Nox has superior feats to Andeddu and superior force power to Nihl as well. Wyyrlok's feats with illusions while superior to Noxs's, aren't as viable as his/her defense against lightning and his/her ace in the hole those ghosts. Nox can also defend against his lightning.

while the Force ghosts did indeed make Nox powerful, it only allowed them to become comparable to the other Sith who were trained from birth in Dark Side mastery as well as incredible endurance

Nox based on showings is superior to most other council members, and in terms of comparison outshines most aside from Baras, Malgus, and the ones with actual showings. Yes Krayt has superior showings to Nox and would kill Nox in a fight, but he/she can defend against most of Wyyrlok's offense.

Originally posted by carthage
Thanaton's flesh has charred metal and destroyed metal. At best Wyyrlok's charred Krayt, and was used for torture on others. Nox's force shield can easily absorb it.

Okay. This isn't about Nox absorbing anyone's Lightning, which is pretty much a given.

He/she knows enough to utilize it to defeat council level opponents (with feats) like Thanaton.

They don't spend a majority of their time dueling Council Level opponents, and lost to Zash when going off what they knew. Even with the Ghosts, they have only been shown to were Thanaton down when he was aware of what they were doing. Not dominating.

Wyyrlok is a strong opponent but he was out of his depth with Krayt, and Nox has superior feats to Andeddu and superior force power to Nihl as well.

Nox has shown ability with Lightning, but the rest of it is basically resisting what other Force powers are thrown at them.

Wyyrlok's feats with illusions while superior to Noxs's, aren't as viable as his/her defense against lightning and his/her ace in the hole those ghosts. Nox can also defend against his lightning.

Nox cannot defend against being stabbed. Nox's Lightning isn't as amazing as you make it sound, and their endurance is admirable, as I already said. The only time Nox has proven their swordsmanship is against Khem, at least notably, and even then he was weakened. Nox is still also very, again, untrained, and towards the end of their story, it's about outlasting than dominating. The illusions probably won't come into play, as Nox has proven mental fortitude.
Originally posted by carthage

Nox based on showings is superior to most other council members, and in terms of comparison outshines most aside from Baras, Malgus, and the ones with actual showings. Yes Krayt has superior showings to Nox and would kill Nox in a fight, but he/she can defend against most of Wyyrlok's offense.

Nox doesn't outshine anyone with their Force feats, at least not anyone with actual showings, Nox has been shown to tank Force powers and only with the aid of the ghosts.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nox cannot defend against being stabbed.

She can, actually. She blocked Thanaton's lightsaber with TK.

@FreshestSlice lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
She can, actually. She blocked Thanaton's lightsaber with TK.

I mean with ghosts. To my knowledge, still, Nox isn't shown to be stabbed at all, though is injured from time to time, so their bubbles aren't always a guarantee. And by that point, Thanaton was obviously wounded and exhausted. It's not like there's any proof that Nox did that to Thanaton at full strength.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She can, actually. She blocked Thanaton's lightsaber with TK.

Why do you always assume the protags are all females?

Most of them are most likely males, including HoT. 😉

Originally posted by Sinious
Why do you always assume the protags are all females?

Most of them are most likely males, including HoT. 😉


Nah, Nox is probably a female.

HoT I'd agree is most likely a dude.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Nah, Nox is probably a female.

HoT I'd agree is most likely a dude.

IMO:

Wrath is definitely male.

Barsen'thor and HoT are most likely males.

Nox could be either and I can't assume anything more specific.

I actually thought Barsen'thor is female.

Originally posted by The Merchant
I actually thought Barsen'thor is female.

Agreed. The craptastic performance they accepted from North almost confirmed it. Then again it's supposed to be an Obi-Wan like story, so there's that.

Emperor's Wrath-Vader
Darth Nox-Sidious
Barsen'thor-Obi-Wan
Hero of the Tython-Obvious KotOR cookie-cut protagonist.