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Started by Epicurus15 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
At least the US and the USSR are getting rid of some of their nuclear arsenal slowly (too slowly). In fact the US takes terrible care of theirs apparently, but no one really cares anymore. John Oliver of Last Week Tonight had a great segment on it:

YouTube video

Whether you like the argument or not, it seems that most countries, and I think a fair amount of people, feel that we do not want nuclear weapons anymore, and one step necessary in that is to stop further proliferation of them. As far as reasons for doing things in international politics go, that's actually a pretty decent one, I think.


Unless we can develop weapons with a greater potency than nukes(something like anti-matter bombs), then I think that's a terrible idea, nevermind the fact that eliminating nuclear weapons even by a marginal amount like that already sounds unfeasible(to me, it appears more to be the case of the Americans being worried about their aging nuclear arsenal instead of just dismantling stuff for peaceful humanitarian causes).

Just think about it. In the previous century we had 2 world wars with a timespan in single digit years between them. Once nukes came into the picture, so did the concept of mutually assured destruction. Which has kept most of the world's major powers from tearing each others throats in a WW style. Sure, there are military skirmishes here and there, but definitely not on the same scale as the previous world wars.

WMDs maybe bad, but they prevent fascist regimes from becoming the National Socialist party 2.0. Even if via some miraculous event the world does eliminate all nuclear weapons by 100%, how does that prevent an emergent superpower like China(with its rapidly modernizing military and industrialized society) from attempting to break the international system and toppling it with its own, thereby starting the latest world war?

Originally posted by Epicurus
In the previous century we had 2 world wars with a timespan in single digit years between them.

That is not technically correct.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is not technically correct.

No, it's just plain not correct.

Even if you counted the Russian Civil War (ended 22/23) as a continuation and started WW2 from the Japanese invasion of Manchuria (1935) it's still a gap of two digits.

I was just softening the blow.

I never pull punches.

Thug life.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is not technically correct.

Oversight.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I never pull punches.

Thug life.


Hush hush, boy.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
I would rather Iran have nukes than Israel, but I believe Iran has a right to defend against capitalism and Israel is a bully. So disregard my post.

Considering Iran has said if they had nukes they would wipe Israel off the map. I find this rather odd that you want Iran of all nations to have nukes. As Israel has nukes and has never threatened to use them against any of their enemies. You are way off base in your opinion of an Iranian nuclear power.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Considering Iran has said if they had nukes they would wipe Israel off the map. I find this rather odd that you want Iran of all nations to have nukes. As Israel has nukes and has never threatened to use them against any of their enemies. You are way off base in your opinion of an Iranian nuclear power.

Don't confuse hardlinder rhetoric from someone like Ahmadinejad with Iran's possible official policy regarding nuclear weapons. We have states like Pakistan and North Korea, which despite their shortcomings and far greater hatred for their neighbors(India and South Korea) are yet to go into madman mode and trigger a nuclear war.

I'd say if Iran did develop nuclear weapons(the possibility seems bleak as of this moment), then it would be as good as any current nuclear weapons state at maintaining a no first strike policy when it came to their nukes.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Don't confuse hardlinder rhetoric from someone like Ahmadinejad with Iran's possible official policy regarding nuclear weapons. We have states like Pakistan and North Korea, which despite their shortcomings and far greater hatred for their neighbors(India and South Korea) are yet to go into madman mode and trigger a nuclear war.

I'd say if Iran did develop nuclear weapons(the possibility seems bleak as of this moment), then it would be as good as any current nuclear weapons state at maintaining a no first strike policy when it came to their nukes.

Thats true, some of the rhetoric is pretty over the top. I think just didn't see xyz opinion on him being more sided with Iran having nukes vs Israel.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thats true, some of the rhetoric is pretty over the top. I think just didn't see xyz opinion on him being more sided with Iran having nukes vs Israel.

I think that neither country would actually have any intention of developing a first-strike policy. Also don't forget that Iran already shares borders with a nuclear power, which also happens to be a friendly muslim-majority state.

I believe xyz was referring to the rapid development in the science and tech arena in Iran, which would ideally make it perfectly suitable to maintaining dangerous technologies without developing a bad proliferation record like China, Pakistan and North Korea.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
I would rather Iran have nukes than Israel, but I believe Iran has a right to defend against capitalism and Israel is a bully. So disregard my post.

Iran would become a bully if it had nukes, so then you'd hate them too, but not as much as Israel, cos Jews.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Oversight.

Hush hush, boy.


Silence, forum pariah.

Originally posted by Robtard
Iran would become a bully if it had nukes, so then you'd hate them too, but not as much as Israel, cos Jews.
Jews? Jews?! Who said Jews?! Grrr!