Israel/Gaza

Started by Time Immemorial15 pages

Shaky is correct

I don't think he is. Israel has shown that they are not interested in doing these things, and they will use any incident (whether Hamas related or not) as excuse. Just consider the 2008 Gaza war...or the Gaza Massacre as it is also called.

Originally posted by Bardock42
History has shown that that is not the case. Israel has no desire to give in to the demands of a free palestinian state, and their previous aggressions are proof of that. At any rate I don't believe the people of Gaza, and even more specifically individuals in Gaza, actually have much ability to stop Hamas, even if they wanted to.

Go back and look at all the treaty's Gaza's has broke.

History proves your statement incorrect.

There is breaking of treaties on both sides. However, we always have to remember that the people of Gaza are the party being oppressed, the party that has no voice on the international stage, the party whose children starve and die.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Simply put it sucks to be a terrorist of a superior nation of firepower.

Well my point was that naming people/groups "terrorist" isn't so black and white as you seem to think.

eg Osama Bin Laden was once a "freedom fighter" as far as the United States was concerned and a "terrorist" as far as the USSR was concerned.

I know but you the logicalness of some of those quotes beg to ask, who is right and who is wrong, or is just a revolving question.

The reason why Israel is attacking Gaza is because Hamas is hiding behind it's cover, then blaming Israel for the counter-attacks on civilians.

It's possible Israel has acquired information about artillery and ammunition hidden within these areas.
Who's to say which side these people are on; if they were forced by Hamas, or actually support Hamas?

If Gaza had nukes they would use them.

Israel has nukes and they don't use them.

This should end all speculation as to Hamas/Gaza intentions as well as Israel's.

Anyone dare to take me on with this debate?

America/UN would sanction against the nukes.

Besides, even if an all-out war ensues, Israel won't need to use them.
They could just flat-out demolish the Gaza strip anytime they wanted to.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
America/UN would sanction against the nukes.

Besides, even if an all-out war ensues, Israel won't need to use them.
They could just flat-out demolish the Gaza strip anytime they wanted to.

Oh I know, what I am saying is Israel has nukes and does not use them, is Gaza did have nukes they would use them, no questions asked. Their #1 goal is to destroy Israel.

Let's be realistic.

There is no chance in hell Hamas (or any terrorist group for that matter -- even ISIS) could take down a country with such military might.

Btw, terrorist attacks on Israel soil is why this shit is happening in the first place.
These terrorist groups should realize that they have no chance in fighting a war they cannot win.
Let the peace talks go through.

If all hell breaks loose, the US has Israel's back. Jews would never surrender their 'motherland' and/or give up their faith.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Let's be realistic.

There is no chance in hell Hamas (or any terrorist group for that matter -- even ISIS) could take down a country with such military might.

Btw, terrorist attacks on Israel soil is why this shit is happening in the first place.
These terrorist groups should realize that they have no chance in fighting a war they cannot win.

If all hell breaks loose, the US has Israel's back. Jews would never surrender their 'motherland' and/or give up their faith.

That is why Iran is trying to get a nuke.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Let's be realistic.

There is no chance in hell Hamas (or any terrorist group for that matter -- even ISIS) could take down a country with such military might.

Btw, terrorist attacks on Israel soil is why this shit is happening in the first place.
These terrorist groups should realize that they have no chance in fighting a war they cannot win.
Let the peace talks go through.

If all hell breaks loose, the US has Israel's back. Jews would never surrender their 'motherland' and/or give up their faith.

ISIS has already taken over much of Iraq and now Syria as well. I think the continued undervaluing of them is starting to get old though. Obama said a few months ago the ISIS was like the JV team, now look at them. They are highly organized, and motivated, and not afraid to kill or be killed. They are even killing their own people who get in the way.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is why Iran is trying to get a nuke.

That's another problem they'll have to face sooner or later.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
That's another problem they'll have to face sooner or later.

I don't know why we are waiting.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
ISIS has already taken over much of Iraq and now Syria as well. I think the continued undervaluing of them is starting to get old though. Obama said a few months ago the ISIS was like the JV team, now look at them. They are highly organized, and motivated, and not afraid to kill or be killed. They are even killing their own people who get in the way.

I actually think some countries, if not all, in the GCC support them.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I actually think some countries, if not all, in the GCC support them.

I'll save the ISIS debate for the other thread about Iraq.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't know why we are waiting.

I don't think Israel are as radical as these Islamic extremists groups.

Maybe they don't really want to wage war?

IMHO, this attacks by them were merely retaliation from Hamas attacks.

It just so happened that Hamas are within the area where innocent Palestinians live, or Hamas are hiding within Gaza.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I don't think Israel are as radical as these Islamic extremists groups.

Maybe they don't really want to wage war?

IMHO, this attacks by them were merely retaliation from Hamas attacks.

It just so happened that Hamas are within the area where innocent Palestinians live, or Hamas are hiding within Gaza.

I meant the US stopping Iran from getting a nuke. I don't know why we are waiting to stop them. Does our government really think talk with Iran is going to work?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Does our government really think talk with Iran is going to work?

Seems so lol.

I have no idea what's going on in the minds of our elected leaders. Sucks to be them right now lol.