Dsentry/Voidtry Vs. Odin

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Pushing a lifeless body yes, but it's still Exitar body and it's weight still stands. Regardless of whether he "died" or not. And I doubt Thor or Hyperion could do it. Wasn't it originally the idea that they needed the power of every hero on Earth to lift Exitar? If Thor or Hyperion could do that why not send them? I don't see any difference in how his body suddenly loses weight because he is dead. The feat still stands in my opinion and is an amazing one at that.

Sentry has always been hax, but even the first feat of him helping Rogue slow Exitars descent has been made to be more than what it was imo.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, but having the power of every hero isn't the same as having all of their highest feats stacked on top of eachother.

We also don't know how those powers stack.

What?

go by the context man. That is all that needs to be done here.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Wasn't it stated that they basically used Sentry to get him off planet? Also I thought most of the heroes were killed by Exitar? Sentry was basically pushing dead weight in that scan, not an active descent and Exitar seemed to be nearly planetary size. Good feat but not amazing or beyond other top strong guys.

Sentry has always been hax, but even the first feat of him helping Rogue slow Exitars descent has been made to be more than what it was imo.

As of now all we can chalk it up to is that Sentry is at least equal to every hero combined. As describe and shown in the comics.

I dont see how you anything else can be taken from that feat. People are reaching if they do.

Originally posted by bbrem123
What? go by the context man. That is all that needs to be done here.

The comic says that Rogue absorbs the powers of the remaining heroes and does half the work, deathry does the other half.

I still don't think this is grounds for equaling deathry's powers with all of earth's remaining heroes.

To me it seemed like the discussion was going something along the lines of "Deathry stopped half a celestial/is as powerful as all the heroes on earth, and half a celestial is more powerful than Odin, so deathry wins."

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Wasn't it stated that they basically used Sentry to get him off planet? Also I thought most of the heroes were killed by Exitar? Sentry was basically pushing dead weight in that scan, not an active descent and Exitar seemed to be nearly planetary size. Good feat but not amazing or beyond other top strong guys.

Sentry has always been hax, but even the first feat of him helping Rogue slow Exitars descent has been made to be more than what it was imo.

Now I have to say after having a look at the comic again I was wrong to suggest Rogue had no involvement. It is true that even though Rogue wasn't told about Sentry she was still there to make up half of the power needed. I will admit that. One point I will make is that to stop Exitar Sentry either needed to equal the power of every hero on Earth or exceed it (now I am not suggesting which is which just making the observation) as if he hadn't equalled Rgue having the power of every hero then Exitar would have sunk.

With the 2nd feat I agree with you there as well. Like I was saying to Branlor lifting a lifeless wreck is a good feat but not as good as defending against something of Exitars size descending on you. But I will admit after rereading the comic I do agree with you. The 1st feat hey had was much more impressive.

Sentry is very strong but Odin is way more powerful.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
He can affect his mind and his soul. He can win without using phisical powers.

This is going to get very physical and Sentry's powers coupled with his ability to survive complete destruction makes this unquestionably his fight.

Originally posted by krisblaze
My comment was mainly in response to Bran's about Rogue having Hyperion's strength, and how that included the whole pushing back planets/universes.

The comic says that Rogue absorbs the powers of the remaining heroes and does half the work, deathry does the other half.

I still don't think this is grounds for equaling deathry's powers with all of earth's remaining heroes.

To me it seemed like the discussion was going something along the lines of "Deathry stopped half a celestial/is as powerful as all the heroes on earth, and half a celestial is more powerful than Odin, so deathry wins."

Just that with the casualness of "yeah I'll stop this planet two feet from Earth" then simply stopping a planet moving slowly should be within reach for Rogue.

All they did was halt his descent. Although huge that doesn't amount to being half of his actual power. Hell both Rogue and Sentry initially rammed Exitar's foot at high speeds and did no damage in the least. If Exitar would have say did something offensive like threw a downwards punch I've no doubt both Sentry and Rogue together would have been shattered by it had they chose to ram it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I never stated anything about universes.

Just that with the casualness of "yeah I'll stop this planet two feet from Earth" then simply stopping a planet moving slowly should be within reach for Rogue.

All they did was halt his descent. Although huge that doesn't amount to being half of his actual power. Hell both Rogue and Sentry initially rammed Exitar's foot at high speeds and did no damage in the least. If Exitar would have say did something offensive like threw a downwards punch I've no doubt both Sentry and Rogue together would have been shattered by it had they chose to ram it.

I'm not trying to accuse you of fronting that terrible argument, I just wanted to call it out because it looked like that's where the sentry-gang was going 🙂

Originally posted by bbrem123
As of now all we can chalk it up to is that Sentry is at least equal to every hero combined. As describe and shown in the comics.

I dont see how you anything else can be taken from that feat. People are reaching if they do.

Just cause it looked like it was equal isn't so cause Celestials can remain balanced when they concentrate, and just like when they're not concentrating or dead, they can fall or be counted as dead weight.

So Exitar's body weighs as much as a planet?

I thought Gladiator could move planets out of their orbital system?

Is that the same thing? I don't know much about cats on this level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

This is going to get very physical and Sentry's powers coupled with his ability to survive complete destruction makes this unquestionably his fight.

Based on him having enough TP power to give a fight to Galactus in that plane.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So Exitar's body weighs as much as a planet?

I thought Gladiator could move planets out of their orbital system?

Is that the same thing? I don't know much about cats on this level.

Considering how dense his armor is, it stands to reason he'd weigh a lot more.

Gladiator could probably move Exitar's body. But he couldn't stop Exitar if Exitar was descending under his own power.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Based on him having enough TP power to give a fight to Galactus in that plane.

Odin has no solution for putting Dsentry/Voidtry down, Sentry is just going to keep coming back. Odin will eventually tire while the sentry will not, and the Sentry could arguably demolecularize Odin.

Sentry manipulated Molecule Man's molecules, it could be argued that Sentry could also manipulate Odin's molecules and in turn demolecularize him.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Odin has no solution for putting Dsentry/Voidtry down, Sentry is just going to keep coming back. Odin will eventually tire while the sentry will not, and the Sentry could arguably demolecularize Odin.

Sentry manipulated Molecule Man's molecules, it could be argued that Sentry could also manipulate Odin's molecules and in turn demolecularize him.

Why could it be argued that he could manipulate Odin's molecules? Odin's different from Molecule Man, and he certainly doesn't suffer the same weak mentality as Dark Reign Owe 🙂

Could Odin also not kill Wolverine because he regenerates?

He certainly defeated the enchanters even though they can exist without bodies.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Not exactly. He could have supplied just enough to overcome it's decent with Rogue providing possibly like 90% of the load or whatever.

Just cause it looked like it was equal isn't so cause Celestials can remain balanced when they concentrate, and just like when they're not concentrating or dead, they can fall or be counted as dead weight.

So going by that it could be the other way around as well. Sentry could have been pushing 90% and Rogue 10%.

The context made it pretty clear he was at least rogues equal.

Sentry didn't seem to be staining to badly with the weight either.

Originally posted by bbrem123
So going by that it could be the other way around as well. Sentry could have been pushing 90% and Rogue 10%.

The context made it pretty clear he was at least rogues equal.

Sentry didn't seem to be staining to badly with the weight either.

He was smiling when Thor bashed his brains to smithereens.

I don't think Sentry feels much of anything anymore xD

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

His dead weight body alone should weigh at the very least as much as a planet considering that's the Earth he's in:
http://i61.tinypic.com/2e14n51.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Considering how dense his armor is, it stands to reason he'd weigh a lot more.

The outer layer was hard to crack though I recall.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Gladiator could probably move Exitar's body.
But he couldn't stop Exitar if Exitar was descending under his own power.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Holy! So, everyone on Earth is dead in Marvel? I'm out the loop.

How dense is it? It seemed pretty empty when Thor was flying around in it, or have things' changed? (remember, I'm kinda lost)

The outer layer was hard to crack though I recall.

👆

Nah that part was retconned with time travel with Thor cutting Exitars neck with assistance of Sentry and Rogue. All back to normal now.