seeing as Thor constantly holds back makes you question his ability if he was fighting will full bloodlust. as seen in the first movie thor is a very capable warrior taking out shield agents gaurding Mjolnir with a slight struggle. the Juggernaut however is taller and ALOT stonger then almost all of the characters presented in the movies Thor has featured in (exept hulk who would easily woop Juggernaut).
if its hand to hand combat then im going Juggernaut
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
The whole ''Thor Holds Back excuse'' is getting old, just accept that Thor is nothing impressive in the cinematic verse.
So a super hero can only be impressive if he is doing push ups with sky scrapers or punching continents in half?
Doing shit like that actually makes the movie cartoonish and even more childish than adding humor and jokes to it. Doesnt matter how these Heroes are in the comics. Certain things dont translate too well into making a good movie.
You might have loved the dragonball Z type fight in MOS but that is one of the reasons alot of people thought it was kind of ridiculous looking when the first part of the movie was trying to set a different kind of tone. It was telling you to not be superman and to hide your powers then BAM full on cartoonish fight.
There is a reason some toning down to a heroes powers translates to a better film.
and yes Thor was holding back. I actually gave some examples. What are your examples or proof he was going all out?
The Thor and Ironman fight. It's obvious Thor wasn't holding back. He would have killed Cap if Cap didn't lift his shield up in time. He hit Ironman with a lightning Bolt that powered his armor up to 400%. Doesn't sound like holding back to me. Ironman stalemated him, deal with it. As for this fight, h2h, Jugs stomps.
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
The whole ''Thor Holds Back excuse'' is getting old, just accept that Thor is nothing impressive in the cinematic verse.
It is getting tiresome. They have this imaginary thought on how Thor would fight and disregard every showing on panel that doesn't have him fighting like that. It's sad and irritating.
Originally posted by carver9
The Thor and Ironman fight. It's obvious Thor wasn't holding back. He would have killed Cap if Cap didn't lift his shield up in time. He hit Ironman with a lightning Bolt that powered his armor up to 400%. Doesn't sound like holding back to me. Ironman stalemated him, deal with it. As for this fight, h2h, Jugs stomps.
Fair assessment when looking back at these fights. He was going for the kill on Cap and Cap said no. Ironman also said no.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Fair assessment when looking back at these fights. He was going for the kill on Cap and Cap said no. Ironman also said no.
At the beginning of that fight, Thor says "I have no quarrel with you mortal" or something similar. Not exactly the attitude of someone going for the kill. Towards the end Thor was getting pissed, true, but that's also why IM was getting the crap beat up towards the end.
Examples of Thor not holding back: Fight vs. IM and Hulk.
Examples of him not holding back: vs frost giants and Destroyer.
You'll see a big difference between the moves he uses when he's going for the kill vs. The moves he uses when he's not.
P.S. - to the person who said Juggs is bigger than anyone Thornhas fought, I'm pretty sure the frost giants were bigger.
Originally posted by carver9
The Thor and Ironman fight. It's obvious Thor wasn't holding back. He would have killed Cap if Cap didn't lift his shield up in time. He hit Ironman with a lightning Bolt that powered his armor up to 400%. Doesn't sound like holding back to me. Ironman stalemated him, deal with it. As for this fight, h2h, Jugs stomps.
The only debatable thing you said was thor hitting caps sheild. The one about powering up Iron mans suit to 400%. How is that a good example? How do you know that more powerful lightning blasts wont power it to 5000% or even melt it completely?
lol @ stalemating. I showed the vid were it showed Thor was aware that Ironman wasnt a villain. He knew Ironman was a good guy or an authority figure since he had loki prisoner.
Thor crushed Ironmans arm like nothing in that forest fight. Thor peeled off Ironmans face plate like paper in the end of Avengers. Why would he have trouble destroying Ironman if he wanted. All the other Thor attacks that I described in my earlier post would kill ironman.
your quest to make Hulk look good by trying to make other guys that threaten him look weak isnt going to work here.
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Originally posted by FrothByte
At the beginning of that fight, Thor says "I have no quarrel with you mortal" or something similar. Not exactly the attitude of someone going for the kill. Towards the end Thor was getting pissed, true, but that's also why IM was getting the crap beat up towards the end.Examples of Thor not holding back: Fight vs. IM and Hulk.
Examples of him not holding back: vs frost giants and Destroyer.You'll see a big difference between the moves he uses when he's going for the kill vs. The moves he uses when he's not.
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Originally posted by FrothByte
At the beginning of that fight, Thor says "I have no quarrel with you mortal" or something similar. Not exactly the attitude of someone going for the kill. Towards the end Thor was getting pissed, true, but that's also why IM was getting the crap beat up towards the end.Examples of Thor not holding back: Fight vs. IM and Hulk.
Examples of him not holding back: vs frost giants and Destroyer.You'll see a big difference between the moves he uses when he's going for the kill vs. The moves he uses when he's not.
P.S. - to the person who said Juggs is bigger than anyone Thornhas fought, I'm pretty sure the frost giants were bigger.
He was smiling when he fought the frost giants. Look at the part when he got punched in the face. You're picking and choosing. Cap would have died if Thor would have hit him. Thor didn't know if Ironman would ha e survived his lightning or not and he still used it on him, to the point that it powered his suit up to 400%. He hit Hulk with an uppercut (that he had no proof that he would have survived) that sent him flying into a plane. Him creating a tornado and flying into the Destroyer makes you think he wasn't holding back? Just full of excuses.
Originally posted by Inhuman
The only debatable thing you said was thor hitting caps sheild. The one about powering up Iron mans suit to 400%. How is that a good example? How do you know that more powerful lightning blasts wont power it to 5000% or even melt it completely?
lol @ stalemating. I showed the vid were it showed Thor was aware that Ironman wasnt a villain. He knew Ironman was a good guy or an authority figure since he had loki prisoner.
Thor crushed Ironmans arm like nothing in that forest fight. Thor peeled off Ironmans face plate like paper in the end of Avengers. Why would he have trouble destroying Ironman if he wanted. All the other Thor attacks that I described in my earlier post would kill ironman.your quest to make Hulk look good by trying to make other guys that threaten him look weak isnt going to work here.
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What's his most powerful Lightning that is more powerful than the one he used on Ironman and provide proof.
Ironman was still fighting him, even after that. Let's not pretend like Thor was beating him easily. You take the words of what Thor said during the beginning and is using it as evidence during the entire fight. Let's not pretend like Thor was hitting Ironman with love taps.
Lol...He knew Ironman was a good guy but hit him with enough lightning to power a building. Lol. And was hitting him with hammer shots and squeezing his arm in.
Make Hulk look good? He already looked good since be was thrashing Thor during the end of the battle. You all are the ones that think of Thor as always holding back based on statements he made during the beginning of the battle. I guess be held back against Kurse as well since he didn't shoot lightning or create tornadoes. Excuses.
What part during this fight looked like Thor was holding back?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1g-B8BJzwc
1. He snuck attacked an Ironman that was turned around with a hammer throw.
2. Then hit him with lightning that he called from the sky (never seen him do that before).
3. Slammed Ironman to the ground and tried to hammer shot him while he was on his back.
Originally posted by FrothByte
At the beginning of that fight, Thor says "I have no quarrel with you mortal" or something similar. Not exactly the attitude of someone going for the kill. Towards the end Thor was getting pissed, true, but that's also why IM was getting the crap beat up towards the end.Examples of Thor not holding back: Fight vs. IM and Hulk.
Examples of him not holding back: vs frost giants and Destroyer.You'll see a big difference between the moves he uses when he's going for the kill vs. The moves he uses when he's not.
P.S. - to the person who said Juggs is bigger than anyone Thornhas fought, I'm pretty sure the frost giants were bigger.
No I said he was going for the kill on Cap, and Cap and said no to that and blocked. Ironman saying no to being tossed aside is what I meant.
Originally posted by carver9
What's his most powerful Lightning that is more powerful than the one he used on Ironman and provide proof.Ironman was still fighting him, even after that. Let's not pretend like Thor was beating him easily. You take the words of what Thor said during the beginning and is using it as evidence during the entire fight. Let's not pretend like Thor was hitting Ironman with love taps.
Lol...He knew Ironman was a good guy but hit him with enough lightning to power a building. Lol. And was hitting him with hammer shots and squeezing his arm in.
Make Hulk look good? He already looked good since be was thrashing Thor during the end of the battle. You all are the ones that think of Thor as always holding back based on statements he made during the beginning of the battle. I guess be held back against Kurse as well since he didn't shoot lightning or create tornadoes. Excuses.
His most powerful lightning blast seen in the movies so far i guess would be the one shot up at the portal that was one shotting those giant space slug ships.
Why would thor want to kill Ironman after thor tells him " I have no quarrel with you mortal"? He wasnt love tapping him but, I saw the fight mostly as Thor wanting to put Ironman in his place type fight.
When was Hulk thrashing Thor in the end fight? You mean the cheap shot after they killed the slug? That was like rough bud tap for laughs.
Originally posted by carver9Thor was angry but IMHO he was definitely holding back. He was gradually getting more pissed as the fight went on. Then we see him crush Iron Man's armor as if it was paper. That is why I believe he was holding back, because right there in that moment we got to see what Thor could do to Tony's armor with his FKN bare hands.
The Thor and Ironman fight. It's obvious Thor wasn't holding back. He would have killed Cap if Cap didn't lift his shield up in time. He hit Ironman with a lightning Bolt that powered his armor up to 400%. Doesn't sound like holding back to me. Ironman stalemated him, deal with it. As for this fight, h2h, Jugs stomps.
He did go all out on Cap though, of all people lol.
Originally posted by Inhuman
his most powerful lightning blast seen in the movies so far i guess would be the one shot up at the portal that was one shotting those giant space slug ships.
Why would thor want to kill Ironman after thor tells him " I have no quarrel with you mortal"? He wasnt love tapping him but, I saw the fight mostly as Thor wanting to put Ironman in his place type fight.When was Hulk thrashing Thor in the end fight? You mean the cheap shots? Those were like rough bud taps all in good fun.
What makes it more powerful than the one he used on Ironman? How about this, Ironman didn't use his most powerful blast on Thor (as shown here http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A52Y4IorgDU ) either i guess. So with that said, that makes Ironman look even better. Then we can use the blast he used on the worm that blew it up from the inside out. None of the blasts he used against Thor was as destructive. Don't you agree?
Why would Ironman want to kill Thor? With that said, a holding back Ironman stalemated a holding back Thor which again makes Ironman look like a peer...don't you agree? Ironman knew Thor wasn't a villain, so why go all out? I saw the fight as Ironman wanting to put Thor in his place as well and wasn't going for the kill, which eventually led to the both of the holding back opponents stalemating. To bad Thor was more furious than Ironman though which makes Ironman look even better.
Cheap shots (lol)? Is that what you call it?
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Thor was angry but IMHO he was definitely holding back. He was gradually getting more pissed as the fight went on. Then we see him crush Iron Man's armor as if it was paper.He did go all out on Cap though, of all people lol.
Ironman Was holding back was well and got in the most licks. It was a stalemate and if anything, Ironman was at a much calmer level than Thor.
Yeah it was a stalemate, and Iron Man was definitely holding back as well.
But that one moment we see Thor crushing Tony's armor is indicative of what would have happened to him if Thor was going for the kill. Tony was lucky Cap took the brunt of Thor's rage. That was really dickish of Thor too. He didn't know if Cap could take it and yet he went at him like that. Only way to excuse him would be to say he thought Cap was as tough as Tony.