Question for Christians: Do More People Go To Heaven Or Hell?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Do babies who die in their infancy not knowing who Jesus is go to Hell?

Do people in third-world shit-hole countries who never meet a Christian go to Hell?

Seems like the cards were stacked against them from the start.

Children and individuals born with mental retardation do not go to Hell. They can not comprehend the Gospel, therefore they are not accountable. The Bible indicates an age of accountability whereby an individual is held responsible for sin. People reach this age when they realize they are sinners and can not achieve salvation based on good deeds. They must accept through repentance and faith that Christ's sacrifice of Himself on Calvary is the only way to avoid the consequences of sin and recieve salvation.

In response to those who are of age and have never heard the Gospel, the Bible teaches that God "winked" or overlooked the normal requirements for salvation. These individuals were probably saved based on their good works, faith, and dedication to whatever deities they served. The cruel and the wicked of these people would not recieve salvation.

With technology today, there are not many people currently who have not heard the Gospel.

I realize a lot of you enjoy attacking Christians for their beliefs, but it is not necessary. If you sit down and study the Bible, you can find a lot of these answers yourselves. I'm not discussing this topic to proselytize anyone, so don't hate.

This remind me about that Bible mistranslation with the Camel.

Obviously I think more people go to Heaven than to Hell, because Jesus already won, and to think he sacrificed himself for a little tiny bit of the creation would be underestimating his great power and LOVE 👆

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Children and individuals born with mental retardation do not go to Hell. They can not comprehend the Gospel, therefore they are not accountable.

I realize a lot of you enjoy attacking Christians for their beliefs, but it is not necessary. If you sit down and study the Bible, you can find a lot of these answers yourselves. I'm not discussing this topic to proselytize anyone, so don't hate.

But that's the point with Christians reading the Bible, they find & twist answers that only enforce their narrow minded beliefs...

It's convenient for you NOW to say children are BORN with mental retardation....and yet we are supposedly CREATED in God's image.
Why would God create & inflict difficulty & hardship to both child & their parents in the 1st place?
There's a contradiction right there.

You say, they don't go to hell because they cannot comprehend the Gospel...why doesn't this excuse a majority of cultures that christianity never influenced throughout history?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
But that's the point with Christians reading the Bible, they find & twist answers that only enforce their narrow minded beliefs...

It's convenient for you NOW to say children are BORN with mental retardation....and yet we are supposedly CREATED in God's image.
Why would God create & inflict difficulty & hardship to both child & their parents in the 1st place?
There's a contradiction right there.

You say, they don't go to hell because they cannot comprehend the Gospel...why doesn't this excuse a majority of cultures that christianity never influenced throughout history?

God is a triune being..Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We were created as triune beings as well...body, soul, and spirit, making us triune beings. Angels were never mortal, so they are not triune beings. This is all that is meant by being created in God's image.

Birth defects, including mental retardation, result from natural causes or irresponsibility by the mother during pregnancy. God did not pre-ordain affliction on anyone. Yes, He allows it to happen. He allows a lot of suffering to take place, but do you want God to do about it? Do you want Him to make all your decisions for you, effectively making you a robot or slave? Should He not allow humans to figure things out for themselves? Maybe humans should be spoiled creatures, never knowing adversity and never learning from prior mistakes. As an atheist, assume for a moment there is a God.
What would you ask of Him? Do you want Him to rule your life, or would you rather continue as you are now? The point is, God allows bad things to happen, for whatever reason. Sometimes adversity can lead to positive outcomes. The world and everything in it is God's creation. He has the right to act according to His wishes.

In regards to other cultures that never experienced Christianity, I mentioned earlier that God winks or overlooks the fact they never heard the Gospel. He is not as cruel as people make Him out to be. However, the Gospel has been preached to pretty much the entire world today, even the remotest of tribes.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not a Christian, but since Christianity holds that God is a loving god who forgives the errors of his flawed creation, I think 100% of people go to Heaven.

Technically the Dead Sea Scrolls have additional books not included in the Nicean Council final cut. The books have more information suggesting that good people saved in heaven would not be able to stand people suffering in hell and that they would in turn be brought into heaven which makes sense. It wasn't a popular idea for the Council to condone so they cut the story out of the book as well as other books that are rather interesting.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars

Birth defects, including mental retardation, result from natural causes or irresponsibility by the mother during pregnancy. God did not pre-ordain affliction on anyone. Yes, He allows it to happen. He allows a lot of suffering to take place, but do you want God to do about it? Do you want Him to make all your decisions for you, effectively making you a robot or slave? Should He not allow humans to figure things out for themselves? Maybe humans should be spoiled creatures, never knowing adversity and never learning from prior mistakes. As an atheist, assume for a moment there is a God.
What would you ask of Him? Do you want Him to rule your life, or would you rather continue as you are now? The point is, God allows bad things to happen, for whatever reason. Sometimes adversity can lead to positive outcomes. The world and everything in it is God's creation. He has the right to act according to His wishes.

See, how you contradict yourself?
"Birth defects & retardation are either natural causes or a mothers' irresponsibility....but you summarise later by stating, "The world & everything in it is God's creation."

Do I want to be a robot or slave by letting God make all my decisions?
No, but if I'm supposed to have faith that he created us all, I'd like to think he'd create us without defect.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
See, how you contradict yourself?
"Birth defects & retardation are either natural causes or a mothers' irresponsibility....but you summarise later by stating, "The world & everything in it is God's creation."

Do I want to be a robot or slave by letting God make all my decisions?
No, but if I'm supposed to have faith that he created us all, I'd like to think he'd create us without defect.

No contradiction that I see. God physically created Adam and Eve. Since then, humans are formed naturally inside the motjer's womb. Obviously, God is no longer creating humans from the dust and clay of the ground. He let's biology and nature continue the process as He designed it. God created the Universe and created laws to govern it.

God did create the Universe without defect. When sin first entered the Universe
by the rebellion of Lucifer..it was followed by the sin of Adam and Eve. Sin is a corrupter, it degrades life. Death exists because of sin. Adam and Eve were created to be immortal, but sin changed that. Since we all inherit that sinful nature, physical and mental defects are to be expected..and death is certain. The problem of sin is what most people do not understand. It is the antithesis of holiness. It is comparable to matter coming into contact with antimatter..they can not co-exist in the same place. Humans may not see it, but the Creator of all surely can.

God does promise an end to sin. Once that happens, things will be as they were. He promises new bodies, without sin to those that believe. I realize that means nothing to you, only dismissed as a fairy tale or religious delusion, but God does promise these things. He will not leave His creation in a state of ruin forever.

At the end of the day, I will respect your beliefs no matter how naive & narrow minded they seem, to me, to be.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
At the end of the day, I will respect your beliefs no matter how naive & narrow minded they seem, to me, to be.

I appreciate that. I respect your beliefs also. I truly understand why you view God in such a way. I have a biblical and secular education. I spent three years at a Baptist seminary and I havea B.A in History from a liberal arts university. I've studied virtually every viewpoint out there. I wouldn't call myself narrow minded as I don't condemn anyone for their beliefs. Everyone chooses to believe in something. You can't believe in everything lol. In that sense, everyone is narrow minded to a degree.

I'm definitely no scholar, so I can't answer a lot of things. However, anything can be fun to discuss as long as you leave tempers at the door and enter with a good spirit of discussion.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars

In regards to other cultures that never experienced Christianity, I mentioned earlier that God winks or overlooks the fact they never heard the Gospel. He is not as cruel as people make Him out to be. However, the Gospel has been preached to pretty much the entire world today, even the remotest of tribes.

I have a question about this. While it's true that in today's world a lot more people have heard of it. At what point does it become decided that they have heard enough? Because there is a difference in knowing it exists or even knowing people who follow it and really understanding a religion or being immersed in its nuances.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I have a question about this. While it's true that in today's world a lot more people have heard of it. At what point does it become decided that they have heard enough? Because there is a difference in knowing it exists or even knowing people who follow it and really understanding a religion or being immersed in its nuances.

I assume hearing it is never enough lol. The Bible reveals that the Gospel will be preached unto all the world before the second coming of Christ. Christians are mandated to keep preaching until then. It is true that most people are set firmly in their beliefs and continued evangelization will have minimal results.

I mean for an individual. You say God gives a pass to people who haven't heard of christ. Well is it simply them knowing it exists, or does belief only become the deciding factor after prolonged exposure?

It would be pretty messed up if simply hearing "I believe in a god named Jesus" and nothing else was enough to send you to hell for not automatically changing your beliefs.

I think it is just manipulation. Its a kind of threat. Like believe my religion or go to hell.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I mean for an individual. You say God gives a pass to people who haven't heard of christ. Well is it simply them knowing it exists, or does belief only become the deciding factor after prolonged exposure?

It would be pretty messed up if simply hearing "I believe in a god named Jesus" and nothing else was enough to send you to hell for not automatically changing your beliefs.

You have to understand the plan of salvation to be saved. You need to recognize yourself as a sinner, separated from God, repent and accept that Christ paid the penalty of sin for you. No one needs to be a Bible expert to be saved. No one requires prolonged exposure for the gospel to sink in. If a preacher took a few minutes to share Bible verses explaining salvation to a person, the Holy Spirit then moves to convict a person to act on that need. It shouldn't require prolonged exposure. I didn't understand salvation before a preacher knocked on my door when I was 16. He spent maybe an hour at my house and I accepted Christ before he left. I had a real sense of conviction and sorrow in my heart for being a sinner. I wanted to reconcile myself to God, not to escape Hell, but because it broke my heart that God came to

Earth in human flesh to die for my sins. He took the punishment for me. That is the greatest act of love that could ever be. Jesus died for a world which mostly hated him.

If my personal story is any indication, prolonged exposure is not necessary for the Holy Spirit to convict a person of his need for salvation.

Let me be clear about the "pass" thing. Not every "pagan" recieved salvation. The wicked of heart would not go to heaven. If a person served a god by whatever name and was humble in heart and served their god faithfully, they recieved a pass. In ancient times, this would have been common as Yahweh was not really known outside Israel.

A person would have to hear more than just Jesus to be accountable. You must understand the gospel and feel a coviction from the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think it is just manipulation. Its a kind of threat. Like believe my religion or go to hell.

I can see why you believe that, but what other choice is there? You only get two choices lol. Sin can not inhabit Heaven, so if you reject God's offer for salvation, then you decided to pay for your own sin of disbelief, eternally separated from God.

You can't live a sinful life and mock God at every opportunity and expect God to admit you into Heaven, and why should He?

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not a Christian, but since Christianity holds that God is a loving god who forgives the errors of his flawed creation, I think 100% of people go to Heaven.

How very Mormon of you.

Mormonism says that what you say is true EXCEPT for those people who directly reject everything about God.

Since God wants to preserve our free will, there has to be a place that is completely devoid of God and His influence that we can go to, if we so choose. This is what Mormons call "outer darkness." It is not necessarily hell, but it is the equivalent. It is only an existence outside the influence of God. You have to consciously and knowingly choose to go there.

So, yeah, if we are rounding up to the nearest percentage, 100% of people go to heaven.

🙂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It didn't blow any of my religious beliefs away.

lol

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Originally posted by NemeBro
Do babies who die in their infancy not knowing who Jesus is go to Hell?

Do people in third-world shit-hole countries who never meet a Christian go to Hell?

Seems like the cards were stacked against them from the start.

NOPE!

Even in the New Testament, it covers this. They are "saved in Jesus' Grace." Only perverted teachings of Christianity hold that babies and "heathens" are condemned for their ignorance.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Children and individuals born with mental retardation do not go to Hell. They can not comprehend the Gospel, therefore they are not accountable. The Bible indicates an age of accountability whereby an individual is held responsible for sin. People reach this age when they realize they are sinners and can not achieve salvation based on good deeds. They must accept through repentance and faith that Christ's sacrifice of Himself on Calvary is the only way to avoid the consequences of sin and recieve salvation.

In response to those who are of age and have never heard the Gospel, the Bible teaches that God "winked" or overlooked the normal requirements for salvation. These individuals were probably saved based on their good works, faith, and dedication to whatever deities they served. The cruel and the wicked of these people would not recieve salvation.

With technology today, there are not many people currently who have not heard the Gospel.

I realize a lot of you enjoy attacking Christians for their beliefs, but it is not necessary. If you sit down and study the Bible, you can find a lot of these answers yourselves. I'm not discussing this topic to proselytize anyone, so don't hate.

👆

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
But that's the point with Christians reading the Bible, they find & twist answers that only enforce their narrow minded beliefs...

👆

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Technically the Dead Sea Scrolls have additional books not included in the Nicean Council final cut. The books have more information suggesting that good people saved in heaven would not be able to stand people suffering in hell and that they would in turn be brought into heaven which makes sense. It wasn't a popular idea for the Council to condone so they cut the story out of the book as well as other books that are rather interesting.

Yes, this is a Mormon belief and when the Dead Sea Scrolls started to get translated, we rubbed stuff like this in other Christians' faces (well, the bad Mormons did...like me). Mormons call this "Works for the Dead." Basically, if God requires these things and a person would have lived by God's teachings, for the most part, in the mortal life, then they deserve anything God has to offer. Since God cannot directly interfere with humans' ability to choose, he has to do so indirectly through his "righteous children": thus is born the concept of Works for the Dead.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
At the end of the day, I will respect your beliefs no matter how naive & narrow minded they seem, to me, to be.

Nice. 👆

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I have a question about this. While it's true that in today's world a lot more people have heard of it. At what point does it become decided that they have heard enough? Because there is a difference in knowing it exists or even knowing people who follow it and really understanding a religion or being immersed in its nuances.

Mormon theology covers this particular topic. Basically, the person will know if they heard enough. God also understands specific circumstances.

Such as being born into an atheistic home that was very very negative towards religions and you were born with a specific set of genetics that made it impossible for you to ever form a decent relationship with God. Basically, all the cards were stacked against you accepting God in your mortal life. Cool. God is aware of things like that. He knows, perfectly, whether or not you could have lived a better life through your own choices.

This is also why I do not believe things such as homosexuality condemn people. I was born very impulsive so I do very shitty things. Should I be condemned for acting out, impulsively? In some circumstances, yes, in some circumstances, no. Just depends. But...yeah...sometimes, I have an overwhelming urge to do things and I cannot veto those actions. It is usually bratty stuff such as knocking things out of people's hands or saying something unprofessional.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Children and individuals born with mental retardation do not go to Hell. They can not comprehend the Gospel, therefore they are not accountable. The Bible indicates an age of accountability whereby an individual is held responsible for sin. People reach this age when they realize they are sinners and can not achieve salvation based on good deeds. They must accept through repentance and faith that Christ's sacrifice of Himself on Calvary is the only way to avoid the consequences of sin and recieve salvation.

In response to those who are of age and have never heard the Gospel, the Bible teaches that God "winked" or overlooked the normal requirements for salvation. These individuals were probably saved based on their good works, faith, and dedication to whatever deities they served. The cruel and the wicked of these people would not recieve salvation.

With technology today, there are not many people currently who have not heard the Gospel.

I realize a lot of you enjoy attacking Christians for their beliefs, but it is not necessary. If you sit down and study the Bible, you can find a lot of these answers yourselves. I'm not discussing this topic to proselytize anyone, so don't hate.