Ronan vs MOS Superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
I cited canon events and you just cry. There are only facts and you using the word high or low is your subjective opinion mulling over the facts.

So you're going to ignore the context of the scene? Ignore all his other feats? Ignore that he also has enhanced speed, flight, senses and eyebeams?

Ok, let's break it down.

Firstly, Ronin is not a giant metal structure that is planning on falling on Clark.

Secondly, Clark does not see Ronan as a giant metal structure, so he is not going to just stand there like an idiot with his arms outstretched, waiting for Ronan to wail on him.

Thirdly, you still have not presented any example of a screen feat of standard Ronin (no gem) performing a strength feat even close to briefly holding a collapsing tower.

Fourthly, considering this is a VS, we should actually look at the MoS fights, for more relevant feats (I am sure that other people here also consider actual fighting feats as more relevant to a fight, than someone trying to hold up an oil rig is). So I will make it simple for you. Provide an example of unpowered Ronin displaying more hitting power than Zod did in their final fight (considering Superman was taking Zod's hits with no visible damage), then come up with a counter for his speed and flight, and then his heat vision, and then come back and claim Ronin wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112

It was effortless as he changed in the fly and easily did so. The thing went down and was stopped.

So grunting in effort, being pushed back several yards, having to use both your arms and legs eventually the brace against it, and then needing Iron Man's help to prevent the thing you just punched from landing on both you and your team is effortless? Seriously dude?

Originally posted by quanchi112

Cry more that Ronan wins, pansy.

Ronin wins when someone makes a good argument for him winning, backed up by valid feats. Which you haven't done.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So you're going to ignore the context of the scene? Ignore all his other feats? Ignore that he also has enhanced speed, flight, senses and eyebeams?

Ok, let's break it down.

Firstly, Ronin is not a giant metal structure that is planning on falling on Clark.

Secondly, Clark does not see Ronan as a giant metal structure, so he is not going to just stand there like an idiot with his arms outstretched, waiting for Ronan to wail on him.

Thirdly, you still have not presented any example of a screen feat of standard Ronin (no gem) performing a strength feat even close to briefly holding a collapsing tower.

Fourthly, considering this is a VS, we should actually look at the MoS fights, for more relevant feats (I am sure that other people here also consider actual fighting feats as more relevant to a fight, than someone trying to hold up an oil rig is). So I will make it simple for you. Provide an example of unpowered Ronin displaying more hitting power than Zod did in their final fight (considering Superman was taking Zod's hits with no visible damage), then come up with a counter for his speed and flight, and then his heat vision, and then come back and claim Ronin wins.

So grunting in effort, being pushed back several yards, having to use both your arms and legs eventually the brace against it, and then needing Iron Man's help to prevent the thing you just punched from landing on both you and your team is effortless? Seriously dude?

Ronin wins when someone makes a good argument for him winning, backed up by valid feats. Which you haven't done.

This is Ronan. You are quite ignorant.

Superman stomps this *****

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Superman stomps this *****

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have ignored nothing but you're calling him Ronin now.

This is Ronan. You are quite ignorant.

So I have made a typo because it's early in the morning and I am on a phone. Big Whoop. I am capable of admitting that I made a typo with his name. Doesn't change any of what I have posted. You ignore Clark's relevant combat feats. You ignore his overall powerset. You use an example of a scenario that is completely irrelevant to a fight to lowball Clark. And you haven't provided any examples of Ronan displaying better hitting power than Zod (the guy whose hits Superman tanked).

I saw the movie today, Superman one shot Ronan.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So I have made a typo because it's early in the morning and I am on a phone. Big Whoop. I am capable of admitting that I made a typo with his name. Doesn't change any of what I have posted. You ignore Clark's relevant combat feats. You ignore his overall powerset. You use an example of a scenario that is completely irrelevant to a fight to lowball Clark. And you haven't provided any examples of Ronan displaying better hitting power than Zod (the guy whose hits Superman tanked).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

Being far stronger, faster and more durable

Ronan being mostly featless, excpet beating up Drax, who was at best Captain America levels

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Being far stronger, faster and more durable

Ronan being mostly featless, excpet beating up Drax, who was at best Captain America levels

Superman was ko'd by an oil tower.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
False?

Superman was ko'd by an oil tower.

😂

Before he became as powerful as he did when he fought Zod and co

It's not like Ronan has any feats above exploding oil rig (which would be several hundred tons at least), or any real feats of note at all

Originally posted by quanchi112

Superman was ko'd by an oil tower.

Thanos was arrested by police.

Originally posted by Based
Thanos was arrested by police.

Movie superman let his own step dad die.

😂

Thanos was also hurt by Spiderman

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Before he became as powerful as he did when he fought Zod and co

It's not like Ronan has any feats above exploding oil rig (which would be several hundred tons at least), or any real feats of note at all

Yes, he does.

Superman destroys a mountaintop by crashing through it and him and Zod tank eachother's attacks, both being strong enough to destroy skyscrapers with the shockwaves of their attacks

What feats does Ronan actually have, best I recall is beating up Drax, who has no feats of note to even be in the same town as Supes

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Superman destroys a mountaintop by crashing through it and him and Zod tank eachother's attacks, both being strong enough to destroy skyscrapers with the shockwaves of their attacks

What feats does Ronan actually have, best I recall is beating up Drax, who has no feats of note to even be in the same town as Supes

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tanking that ship like nothing and the oil tower ko'd him.

He couldn't have tanked the entirety of it's impact (inverse square law and whatnot) and that was with the gem (OP doesn't say he has it here so....)

Then, in the Superman movie, Supes goes flying straight against Zod's ship and he takes no damage, and is visible in his face.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I havent ignored anything and you believed this was Keanu Reeves.

I have no idea where you are getting the Keanu Reeves thing from. If it is a reference to 47 Ronin, I would have said Kai, seeing as that is his name in the film. I know exactly who this thread involves, genius. Ronan the Accuser, the guy who eventually told Thanos to piss off. I spelled his name wrong from being half asleep.

Unlike the guy who thought there was an actual orca in the Khan vs Jaws thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Superman gets beaten by the guy who treats Drax like a peasant.

You still have not provided any proof whatsoever that Ronan can dish out more damage than Zod did in their final fight. You know, the damage Superman tanked, and then went on to beat and kill Zod?

Using the oil rig to lowball Superman is lame, and utterly irrelevant in anyways. Let's review the scene. He stays back to try and hold up an unstable, burning structure. He is not fighting it, trying to dodge it, or damage it in any way. He is remaining stationary while trying to support its base. And this is him before he has mastered his abilities, such as flight. This would have been useful, seeing as he could have used the force of his own propulsion against the collapsing structure, and not have had to rely on the unstable, collapsing platform for footing. So unless Ronan can somehow make Clark forget about his other abilities, such as flight, and then manage to get Clark to stand stationary and not defend himself, while Ronan finds some giant structure to collapse on him, there is no point to bringing up that feat.

Here is the Zod vs Clark fight as well:

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Note the throw at 1:18min of the 3rd clip. It knocks him through 5 skyscrapers and doesn't KO him.

Now, you say that because Ronan beat Drax, he will beat Superman. So answer me then. Provide an example of Ronan displaying more striking power than Zod did during his final fight against Superman (the fight where their hits were causing shockwaves). Seeing as you are so confident, it shouldn't be hard to provide an example?

Or where Drax and Ronan flew into space and back in the span of seconds