Originally posted by carthage
They wouldn't be able to react against the Emperors speed let alone hold their own in a duel. Theyre outclassed
Calling this hyperbole is an insult to all things hyperbole. The Maul brothers were able to react and duel Sidious for a decent amount of time before failing. Ulic and Kun will be just fine.
Fine enough to win in some cases.
Sidious took it easy on Maul in both occasions, when Sidious got serious Maul saw more sabers than he could possibly defend against and went down. In the duel with the brothers Sidious easily dominated both with TK, and blocked all of their attacks with casual ease.
Please show me speed feats for Ulic and Kun that suggest they can outduel he Emperor when superior duelists like Windu, Maul, and Yoda failed?
Originally posted by carthage
Sidious fought evenly with Yoda and defeated Windu who are both a tier above Kun and Ulic as duelists.
He fought them individually, not at the same time or anything. Big difference.
They wouldn't be able to react against the Emperors speed let alone hold their own in a duel. Theyre outclassed
Fisto reacted to the Emperor's speed, and I'd say they're a tier higher than him.
They're stronger than Maul + Savage for that matter, and the saber portions was where the brothers were doing all right.
Blitzes are a rare thing in SW, and even Sidious isn't going to pull them off against people stronger than the ones he did manage it on.
A tier higher than Fisto in terms of speed? I'm not so positive about that one, friend.
Yeah, the only way I could see this battle ending up like that is that if he catches them off guard with his speed and ferocity and is able to cheapshot one of them before the other can react. Then it's one on one, and neither of these two are lasting against Palps.
Assuming that something like that doesn't happen, though, these two could probably stand their ground but still wouldn't really be able to gain an advantage against Palpatine whatsoever. They'd, in the end, fare little different from the brothers--Except this time, Sids is serious.
A tier higher than Fisto in terms of speed? I'm not so positive about that one, friend.
Do they need to be much higher in speed? Fisto was able to keep up in speed he just wasn't skilled enough.
Also I wouldn't think these two would be far off from Dooku, and he can hold off a Yoda/Sidious level foe in sabers.
Originally posted by Q99
Do they need to be much higher in speed? Fisto was able to keep up in speed he just wasn't skilled enough.
That's not what I picked up from the encounter. He was fast enough to counter a few blows, yeah, but ultimately the faster opponent's blade will reach it's mark faster than the slower can defend, and that's what happened there.
Hell, even in Shadow Conspiracy, Maul's own loss is largely attributed to Sidious's speed accelerating so high that Maul couldn't even count how many directions he appeared to be coming from.
In terms of skill, after all, Sidious isn't really *that* far ahead of the likes of Maul, he's simply too powerful for them to compete.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Neither is Maul, and he still didn't last very long when singled out by Palpatine.
Yea, key phrase, when singled out.
There's no force to single them out very well, and they can work together well. Combined, they're a lot more dangerous than the brothers were.
In terms of skill, after all, Sidious isn't really *that* far ahead of the likes of Maul, he's simply too powerful for them to compete.
And these two... well, at least Exar, is more powerful in the force than Maul. Plus, two on one!
There's no force to single them out very well, and they can work together well. Combined, they're a lot more dangerous than the brothers were.
Not really. Neither of them are particularly more skilled than Maul as far as dueling goes, and their coordination and experience working together is nonexistent in comparison to the brothers. I could see them being more formidable due to Ulic being more controlled and refined than Savage, but far more dangerous? Not really, not without Exar's sorcery.
And these two... well, at least Exar, is more powerful in the force than Maul. Plus, two on one!
More masterful? Absolutely. More powerful? Possible, but not necessarily. Regardless, in terms of force enhanced physicality, Maul trumps Exar and Ulic, so it doesn't really matter either way for this match exclusively.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not really. Neither of them are particularly more skilled than Maul as far as dueling goes, and their coordination and experience working together is nonexistent in comparison to the brothers. I could see them being more formidable due to Ulic being more controlled and refined than Savage, but far more dangerous? Not really, not without Exar's sorcery.
They're master and apprentice, they should be pretty darn good together.
And Sidious didn't separate the brothers due to his saber work, he used the force for that. No force here, this is a saber work. Meaning, taking them individually is not likely to happen, not for any significantly exploitable period.
Remove the force and Maul+Savage would've been a much longer, trickier fight for Sidious, and this is higher difficulty than that.