Originally posted by Insane Titandoesn't matter, as we have nothing else to compare characters across different companies. How do we know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman? What do you propose?
you think the writers take in account real world physics when writing comics ? No they don't so stop talking shite to try and justify your lack of real comic book knowledge.
Re: Re: Re: Most Impressive Strength Cheese Feats
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaI rounded. To the laymen 330,000 is a better number 😄
This was calced in narutoforums and dont was anywhere close to this number. If i remember well it was not enough energy to destroy a sun.And Solar mass is "only" 332,946 earths.
Anyway. Destroying something from hundreds of yards without touching it takes more than billions of times more force than destroying it through contact.
This means that WBH exerted more than billions of times more force than someone destroying a planet with a single blow. It takes a little less than 1 earth weight to destroy the earth.
Originally posted by h1a8by feats and showings on average. Tell me how you exactly calculate a blast from someone lik Odin hand when he wants to Chanel energy better.
doesn't matter, as we have nothing else to compare characters across different companies. How do we know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman? What do you propose?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Everything Lobo touches ignores physics, the same way everyone Thanos engages ignores intelligent thought, or everyone Batman stares at instantly regrets ever having been born.
Course they do, shut the phuck up.Lobo's chains have the tensile strength necessary to hurl suns around. And have a high enough melting point you can hook suns with them.
Despite being made of iron.
Superpowers.
That said, assuming 'stellar mass' doesn't mean matter/energy type composition, and instead the actual Sun's mass - and assuming Lobo accelerated its movement like, say, 20 m/s, the kinetic energy necessary to do that is 1/2 * 2 * 10^30 * 400 i.e. 4 * 10^32. It takes about 2*10^32 to vaporize Earth, so he has enough strength to do that two times over.
What I'm trying to say is Lobo > Gladiator's biggest space cheese feat.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17There is a big, yet very common, error here. Acceleration =/= velocity (or speed). Another error is your conversion. 500,000 miles per hour is 223,520 meters per second (not 2,235,200).
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And Hyperion doesnt even need to stop the planet, if he even remotely slows down the rogue planet at that speed its not as hard to pull it off.Lets see, what would it mean if Hyperion actually outright stopped the planet (I am not saying Hyperion did in fact stop the planet, he didnt, but how much power would it require to stop a planet).
Remember the planet is accelerating at 500,000 miles per hours but science requires you to used meters per seconds.
So thats 2,235,200 meters per seconds.
Lets assume the weight of the planet is represented as "Weight"
The Force at which the planet is being propelled is given by a simple equation F= m x acceleration
in this case its = 2,235,200 x Weight.
how much force would it require to stop the planet, at the very least just as much as its moving at, iin fact a little but higher.
But its force, how doe it translates to weight lifted.
Remember under earth's gravity, it takes 9 N to lift a kilogram, and hence in order to outright Stop the planet the amount of force involved is equivalient to lifting 2,235,200/ 9 = 248,355.55 times the weight.
In short, if Hyperion stopped the rogue planet outright, the feat would be equivalent to lifting 248 thousands times the weight of the said planet.
Remember we dont know how heavy the Rogue planet is, but it is still a planet, lets say its 1/1000 the time of Earth (honest it cant get any smaller.
Outright stopping the planet would still have been as impressive as lifting 248 times the weight of the earth.
Heck even if he slowed it down by 2%, instead of outright stop him, its still as impressive as lifting 5 planets together.
That assuming Earth is somehow 1000 times bigger than the rogue planet in question, and Hyperion only slowed the planet by 2%.
Hence if you are willing to look at it with a reasonable side, Hyperion feat is just as impressive, its just that we dont have numerical value unless you are telling me the planet is somehow more than 1/1000 the size of the Earth or Hyperion didnt even slow him down by 2%.
There is the caculation with extremely generous variable if you are interested.
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To calculate average force we go to its definition F= change in momentum over change in time.
Or F= m(Vf-Vi)/t where m is the mass of the planet, Vf is the final velocity of the planet, Vi is the initial velocity, and t is the stopping time.
Assuming m=1/1000 of Earth, Vi = 223,520, Vf=0, and t=6 seconds maybe, we get a stopping force of about 37 Earth weights.
This is also assuming that Hyperion didn't slow the planet to match the Earths velocity (Vf= 67,000 mph) which would make the feat even less.
Originally posted by Insane Titanby feats? How do we judge the feats? And I'm talking about strength feats. How can we know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman without quantifying their fears?
by feats and showings on average. Tell me how you exactly calculate a blast from someone lik Odin hand when he wants to Chanel energy better.
Originally posted by h1a8we don't have to quantify things we use showing what regulate what a character can and can't constantly do to attain what lvl they are at.
by feats? How do we judge the feats? And I'm talking about strength feats. How can we know that Thor is stronger than Aquaman without quantifying their fears?
Originally posted by Mindship
I used a different formula, one for kinetic energy (K): K = 1/2mv^2.
- K is in joules
- m (mass) is in kilograms
- v (velocity) is in meters/second.Let's assume this is the smallest planet possible (to get a minimum figure). This means one of its requirements to be called a planet is that it still has to be large enough to achieve "hydrostatic equilibrium." In planetary terms, this means the body has to be large enough so that its gravity is strong enough to compress it into a sphere. An astronomically well-known example is Ceres. It is the largest asteroid known (in the belt between Mars and Jupiter), and represents the minimum "planetary size": about 600 miles in diameter (the reason Ceres is not considered a planet is because it fails to meet one of the three requirements established by the International Astronomical Union: Ceres has not cleared its orbital path of debris, ie, other asteroids; but I digress).
So: the Hyperion-targeted planet (henceforth, simply called, the Planet) has a mass (like Ceres) of 9x10^20 (900 billion billion) kg. And it is moving at 500,000 mph, or (roughly) 140 miles/sec, or about 225,000 meters/sec. We now have figures we can plug into K=1/2mv^2.
K = 1/2(9x10^20) x (225,000x225,000)
K = (4.5x10^20) x (5x10^10)
K = 22.5x10^30, or 2.25x10^31 joulesBy comparison, Earth's kinetic orbital energy is 2.7x10^33 joules, or roughly 100x greater. As stated from the onset, Planet's stopping energy would be a minimum figure.
By another comparison, the Sun's annual energy output per second is 3.8x10^26 joules.
According to these calculations (I strongly advise someone check my figures), this means Hyperion put out about 100,000x the power of the Sun, each second, to stop that Planet (I'm assuming it would take an amount of power equivalent to its kinetic energy).
Essentially, between what it takes to blow up a planet, and/or stop it from moving: the lesson is, rocky worlds may be small compared to a star or gas giant, but there's still a god-awful amount of matter that has to be reckoned with, far more than its mere/comparative size would suggest. This also completely ignores tidal forces, any tectonic repercussions, loss of any atmosphere, etc. It also ignores the fact that a Superman-calibre/sized being pushing against a planet would be like a BB shooting through a cake, rather than a BB pushing the whole cake.
(Also, for those interested, google "orders of magnitude joules" to see where I got some of my figures from).
Originally posted by Mindshipthat's quite impressive. But the power the sun puts out (radiation energy) is rather small in comparison to other things like supernovae, gamma bursts from black holes, or even planet striking destroying power. There is astronomically more power in the inside of the sun (especially the core) in the form of crushing pressure.
Well, then, let me recount one of my favorite annoyances: one-shot planetbusting. From a prior thread (and modified)...quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mindship
It has recently come to my attention the following about planetbusting (with the Earth as the standard)...To really destroy the Earth, ie, to make an explosion big enough to not only blow it up, but to fling the pieces away from each other fast enough so that gravity doesn't take hold and pull the chunks back together: the explosion would have to overcome the Earth's gravitational binding energy, which is about 2x10^32 joules.
The Sun puts out about 4x10^26 joules/second. This means, that in one second, when [insert character here] busts a world with one punch, they're generating about 500,000x the power of the entire Sun (2x10^32 divided by 4x10^26 = 5x10^5).
My feeling now about planetbusting is the same as withstanding black holes or basking at the Sun's core: save it for the most powerful characters, eg, Galactus.
So it's a little misleading to think the power output (radiation energy) of the Sun as the Totality power of the sun.
Average power = F^2*t/(2m) where F is the applied force, t is the total time the force is acts, m is the mass of the object that the force is acting upon)
Letting time be 1 second and then Solving for force we get F= sqrt (2*average power*m).
Substituting 2x10^32 for average power and 5.9x10^24 for the mass of the Earth then we get an applied force of 4.9x19^28 newtons = 5.5 x10 ^24 tons of force. Which is about 840 earth weights. Seems right? No it isn't.
The problem is when someone busts a planet through striking, their fist stays in contact for far less than 1 second. Their fist has a tiny mass and so must generate a large velocity in order to achieve The necessary force. The time would actually be under a microsecond and Hence making the applied force less than 1 earth weight.
That's why I always said that destroying an earth like planet with a strike takes less than 1 earth weight of Force.
So planet moving (higher than g) is greater than planet bashing.
P.S. I can derive for you the average power formula is used above if you want.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Everything Lobo touches ignores physics, the same way everyone Thanos engages ignores intelligent thought, or everyone Batman stares at instantly regrets ever having been born.Superpowers.
That said, assuming 'stellar mass' doesn't mean matter/energy type composition, and instead the actual Sun's mass - and assuming Lobo accelerated its movement like, say, 20 m/s, the kinetic energy necessary to do that is 1/2 * 2 * 10^30 * 400 i.e. 4 * 10^32. It takes about 2*10^32 to vaporize Earth, so he has enough strength to do that two times over.
What I'm trying to say is Lobo > Gladiator's biggest space cheese feat.
Originally posted by ODG
[b]XVIII. WORLD WAR HULK STRENGTH (cont'd)SHOCKWAVES
So what happens when he finally meets an opponent who can match his physical strength and he stops holding back? The shockwaves produced from their collision annihilates an entire planet. From Incredible Hulks #634:
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17I kinda did already above. But you will need to put several of the posts together to figure it out.
Next up for you H1.
In one post (reply to mindship) I showed that it takes less than 1 earth weight of force to destroy the earth with a blow.
In another post, I said that it takes more than a billion times the force to destroy something from hundreds of yards away than to destroy it through direct impact.
So a fraction between .1 and .6 times a billion is in the millions of Earth weights.
Originally posted by h1a8But it actually gets more tricky with regards to the other major bomb effect — blast pressure. Blast pressure is basically a heavy shockwave that knocks down buildings, crushes people, and is the most immediately potent effect of the bomb. It is the effect that the choice in the detonation height of the bomb was most specifically tailored to, because it is the most affected by the change of height.
I kinda did already above. But you will need to put several of the posts together to figure it out.In one post (reply to mindship) I showed that it takes less than 1 earth weight of force to destroy the earth with a blow.
In another post, I said that it takes more than a billion times the force to destroy something from hundreds of yards away than to destroy it through direct impact.
So a fraction between .1 and .6 times a billion is in the millions of Earth weights.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
you think the writers take in account real world physics when writing comics ? No they don't so stop talking shite to try and justify your lack of real comic book knowledge.
Someone needs a midol this morning.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Course they do, shut the phuck up.Lobo's chains have the tensile strength necessary to hurl suns around. And have a high enough melting point you can hook suns with them.
Despite being made of iron.
I believe Superman broke them. Superman>The Sun. Superman, greater than his power source. 😱
