What would happen if Palestine retook Israel?
Let's say in a hypothetical situation, Hamas got control of a concentrated WMD that allowed them to conquer the IDF with the U.S. having no effective weapons to stop them. They expel/kill/convert the Israeli citizens and declare Israel to be Palestine once again. How would the world's governments, geopolitics, and religions react to this?
Re: What would happen if Palestine retook Israel?
Originally posted by Lestov16
Let's say in a hypothetical situation, Hamas got control of a concentrated WMD that allowed them to conquer the IDF with the U.S. having no effective weapons to stop them. They expel/kill/convert the Israeli citizens and declare Israel to be Palestine once again. How would the world's governments, geopolitics, and religions react to this?
The far right in the US would gain control of the government. I'm not sure what would happen next, but I'm convinced that there would no longer be a Palestine.
Hamas gets hold of a WMD and uses it? I would think any nation not "governed" by violent Islamic religionism would get extremely worried, wondering if this was an isolated situation, or if other groups, like ISIS and Al Qaeda, are similarly empowered and planning their own attacks.
I imagine that the US/NATO/whoever, would also attack Palestine, to show you can't destroy another country and get away with it. In effect: rapid escalation of hostilities would ensue, with Islamic religionism losing in the end, after many, many, many lives lost.
Re: What would happen if Palestine retook Israel?
Originally posted by Lestov16
Let's say in a hypothetical situation, Hamas got control of a concentrated WMD that allowed them to conquer the IDF with the U.S. having no effective weapons to stop them. They expel/kill/convert the Israeli citizens and declare Israel to be Palestine once again. How would the world's governments, geopolitics, and religions react to this?
If the scenario is the US/west can't (or didn't want to) stop them for some unknown reason, then it'd probably only be a matter of time before Egpyt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon started vying for those lands the Jews turned from a desert to an oasis. ie the Palestinians would be ****ed again.
If Israel gets ****ed, one could hope that the US would immediately lose interest in the region and we'd stop spending money on preventing them from killing each other.
If we're very lucky. Palestine might even use their WMD on some of the other nations around it, assuming they didn't already expend their supply of it on Israel.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
If Israel gets ****ed, one could hope that the US would immediately lose interest in the region and we'd stop spending money on preventing them from killing each other.If we're very lucky. Palestine might even use their WMD on some of the other nations around it, assuming they didn't already expend their supply of it on Israel.
There are too many people in the US that believe that Israel must exist for Jesus to return. Remember, we have our own bag of nuts.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
But if Israel is already dead, as the scenario implies, Jesus is just ****ed for those people, lol.And in that situation, while I think you'd have lots of angry Americans, you wouldn't have enough who are angry enough to push the Government into revenge-invading Palestine, or something.
I'm not as optimistic as you.
Originally posted by TzeentchNot right away. But it wouldn't be the end of their end-times beliefs. Give it a generation or two, and enough internal fear-mongering among the populace over the state of the nation and world, and another war to re-take the Holy Land--on the pretext of counter-terrorism, or whatever--could certainly happen.
But if Israel is already dead, as the scenario implies, Jesus is just ****ed for those people, lol.And in that situation, while I think you'd have lots of angry Americans, you wouldn't have enough who are angry enough to push the Government into revenge-invading Palestine, or something.
Palestine wouldn't survive, that's for sure. Their ass'd be glass.
Originally posted by Oneness
The Upper Class has too much silver to want to **** up this dystopia they got going for them in the near future.They control World Wars, among everything else.
Newspapers and academics and politicians were all in the business of trying to reassure the world during the tensions of the early teens that there was too much interlocking trade and too much amity between the royal families and governments of Europe to allow an actual war between Great Powers to happen.
I do agree that a World War is very unlikely, but then I also fear it's never as far away as we might think, and when human emotions come into play no amount of 'control' can stop certain situations from erupting.
More likely than a world war of the kind seen in the 20th century between huge blocks of great powers is a major war between two or three powers. Russia and China for instance, despite being strategic partners, are unlikely to step in if one or the other gets in a war with the USA because most likely the war won't be an existential threat to either Russia or China but a dispute over something like Eastern Europe or Japan. Even so, if such a hypothetical war doesn't involve more than a handful of countries the effect on the world would still be disastrous.
Originally posted by Omega VisionBut not existential, and that's my main point.
Which was pretty much the same thing people were saying before WW1, albeit without your quasi-Anarchist tone.Newspapers and academics and politicians were all in the business of trying to reassure the world during the tensions of the early teens that there was too much interlocking trade and too much amity between the royal families and governments of Europe to allow an actual war between Great Powers to happen.
I do agree that a World War is very unlikely, but then I also fear it's never as far away as we might think, and when human emotions come into play no amount of 'control' can stop certain situations from erupting.
More likely than a world war of the kind seen in the 20th century between huge blocks of great powers is a major war between two or three powers. Russia and China for instance, despite being strategic partners, are unlikely to step in if one or the other gets in a war with the USA because most likely the war won't be an existential threat to either Russia or China but a dispute over something like Eastern Europe or Japan. Even so, if such a hypothetical war doesn't involve more than a handful of countries the effect on the world would still be disastrous.
And I disagree in it even being likely that a small war will break out:
I would say the cohesiveness of the upper-class on a global scale has now surpassed nationality. Such is the power of greed, the power to make dystopia more of a likelihood than ruin.
We've had to have drawn out the destruction wrought by our intervention in Iraq for the purpose of profiteering from the lack of infrastructure, or the ruin of infrastructure our conflicts have produced. I say this because cohesive and organized strikes have worked every-time there and yet, that is the least practiced method throughout our tenure in the middle east.
Originally posted by OnenessThe current *** for tat exchange of economic sanctions between Russia and USA, two of the countries with the greatest wealth inequality and thus two of the countries that would most typify your view of global statescraft are now costing billions of dollars in lost trade and threatening the wealth of numerous oligarchs. If economic interests trumped all else as you assert, there wouldn't be the standoff there is now over Ukraine, a country that's of little economic worth and is actually an economic liability to anyone who tries to put it into its sphere of influence.
But not existential, and that's my main point.And I disagree in it even being likely that a small war will break out:
I would say the cohesiveness of the upper-class on a global scale has now surpassed nationality. Such is the power of greed, the power to make dystopia more of a likelihood than ruin.
Right now, but for a few exceptions, the oligarchs in Ukraine have supported Ukraine against Russia while the Russian oligarchs have lined up behind Russia. This is despite the fact that most of the Ukrainian oligarchs are dependent on free and open trade with Russia.
How does your worldview explain what's going on in Ukraine?
Originally posted by Omega VisionHold on a second I'm not talking about the nations I'm talking about individuals who have a lot of money in them. The nations can and are being eaten away to feed their greed.
The current *** for tat exchange of economic sanctions between Russia and USA, two of the countries with the greatest wealth inequality and thus two of the countries that would most typify your view of global statescraft are now costing billions of dollars in lost trade and threatening the wealth of numerous oligarchs. If economic interests trumped all else as you assert, there wouldn't be the standoff there is now over Ukraine, a country that's of little economic worth and is actually an economic liability to anyone who tries to put it into its sphere of influence.Right now, but for a few exceptions, the oligarchs in Ukraine have supported Ukraine against Russia while the Russian oligarchs have lined up behind Russia. This is despite the fact that most of the Ukrainian oligarchs are dependent on free and open trade with Russia.
How does your worldview explain what's going on in Ukraine?It's a different situation than Iraq or Libya. It's just Vlad trying to showboat.
As for the Iraqi situation, war wears down infrastructure, creating oversea jobs and pumping wealth into the wealthy whom they pay for marketing and commercial industry that will pump wealth back into their pockets for resources to rebuild.
The only wars from here on out are profiteer wars, we learned from WWI.